TWL start dates and other important information

[Rasaq]

There's plenty of new talent out there you can recruit, there's plenty of players on squads like SC, Dependency, Nitrous, Evolved...there's another that skips my mind ATM...that would love to be on a TWL squad. What majority of us fail to do is help and train the newer players. If we took time to join a squad that was stacked with 70 new or unskilled players and shared our knowledge and try to point out a few things you see them doing/not doing we could quicken their growth and development and make this league a lot more competitive.

[paradise!]

whoever said roster limit of 10 a few posts ago needs to stfu. No squad captain should agree to that.

15 is pushing it, but will probably work. We should committ to something soon to give the captains some time to decide who they want to cut.

[Dour]

There's always goin to be those top 3-4 squad's, no matter what. People like playing with

the same players. New people just need to start there own squad and band together and

try to get good. Hell i remember back in the day when there would be a squad tryout room

lol. My point is , it might get anymore competitive in less there better players break up and

try there own thing helping other less skilled players out. If that makes any sense what so

ever.

[KiAN]

Why will there be less people participating?

This a serious question? If at first you restrict the number of squads that can play in twl that forces everyone to join the number of squads that can play. Or reverse, if you let an unlimited number of squads duel it out with a specific number of players, the squads will be unlimited. But, like we have here, you limit the number of squads AND the number of people per squad then clearly there is a threshold of how many people can play. I think restricting both of these variables in a time when population is declining is a bad decision. Pick one or the other. If population starts to go back on incline then that's a different chapter in the story we have not quite gotten to yet..

A lot of people play this game for twd and twl and once you start to affect their ability to participate in these then the game becomes pointless.. To some. (twd only useful because of twl) Ignoring roster caps and squad caps, I am going to assume we want as many people as possible to ENJOY TWL. In my opinion, the ideal formula would be unlimited squads in all leagues (clearly least being in twbd), roster cap of 20. That would create competitiveness and the balance of WBs/JAVs/Basers on your squad. You wouldnt want a baseball team full of all pitchers so you have to fill in with people who do other jobs (who can catch, play outfield, hit) and have a guy or two who are utility players.

But what do I know..

[Lizard Fuel]

I understand that the concept of allowing more people to play TWL is a good thing. It's just not that simple. If we were to remove the restrictions and allow basically everybody to play, then its not TWL anymore, its just a glorified TWD. On the surface, the suggestions you are making are good ones, but this is TWL. This is the league where the best of the best compete. If you are not among the "elite" that get to play, then get better and try again next season. Despite the decline in population we have to find a balance that works, even if that means that some people get left out (That's what happens when people compete). Its not like we're saying "If you get cut from your squad, you cannot play TWL", you just have to take the initiative to do what it takes to qualify on your own. Its entirely up to YOU guys, the players, who plays and who doesn't.

[fLaReD]

First post updated, TWLB will qualify 10 squads.

[Crescent Seal]

limiting roster size for twl has 0 relevance towards increasing activity in terms of squads b/c:

a) if people wanted to start in twl they wouldn't be on their current squad

b) they have 0 interest in starting a squad and this wont change no matter what restrictions you apply, only a few possess qualities to start/maintain a twl caliber squad for a duration of a time

however most do want to bench their way to titles (b/c they like staying with their chosen "core" of tw friends or getting that medal on site), so you will only end up pissing people off who are active in twd but not in twl...not to mention squads are being formed anyways like Dynasty and Epidemic so i dont see why this is necessary at all

[Vatican Assassin]

just reduce total twl roster size to 30, so it feels like we did something but we don't ruffle too many feathers

[Jessup]

Having different roster limits for different leagues gives a huge advantage to multi league squads. If you can't see that, then you're not really thinking about it.

Take dice for example. They're all 3 leagues, which gives them a roster of 30. megaman89 will likely play in all 3 leagues. a2m will possibly play in all 3 as well. Stayon, paska, cape, are a few more that will play 2+ leagues.

The point here is that they get another 15 roster spots when they have the same people playing in all 3 leagues anyway. This doesn't make sense to me.

you know.. i agree with pascone here.. squads that qualify for only 1 division in TWL do get a handicap..
which in the spirit of fair gaming should be addressed. The only proper thing to do is make multi division twl
squads submit to staff a list 15 players who will be able to play in twlj and twld and 20 for twlb. This is to
match the number a single division squad gets to work with. It does not make sense to allow a multi leauge
team to have a larger pool of players to grab from for twl matches.

[Ardour]

Its far easier to specialise and be competitive in just 1 ship than it is to multi ship.

In one respect we want to encourage players to play all the divisions. To play 1 league it is over kill to allow a squad to have 30 odd players. For a 3 league squad it is fair if not still excessive. It will then be expected that some of the players will have to multi league. Because Dice have the skilled players that can do this makes Dice one of the best squads deserving of claiming a title. This is not grounds for this rule not to be put in place. This roster cap depending on leagues a squad qualifies for is a good step to making squads get themselves sorted out.

To have a squad qualify for all 3 divisions and have the same roster size as a 1 league specialst squad would be unfair Jessup. - Don't understand why that is so hard to understand. It is your point, right back at you. Instead this one league specialist squad can become 2 thus increasing compeition. Or if it wants to keep its extra players it can branch out into other divisions then increasing activity.

[Jessup]

Hey Ardour. I understand what you are saying and i agree that multi league squads should have a larger
roster. I don't think you understood what I was saying though. The point I was making is that in a twl match
for a particular division, teams should have the same amount of eligible players allowed to play with. Why
should a a multi league squad have 30 people to draw off in a jd while a single division squad gets 15? I
was just trying to say I think we should even the number of eligible players for individual games in TWL to
make the player base equal. I know it would make things harder on staff and all.. not too hard though we
could make a list. In the end I just hope to play some TWL in my wb and jav.. just a comment. :P

[Ardour]

I see your point jessup but I still dont agree. It would be equal to make a multi league squad put forward there 15 eligible players for each league yes. So how many players can they have on roster? Would this then apply to all squads? They are allowed 35 on roster but only 15 eligible? This then solves nothing of allowing many players to sit on stacked squads and we are back to square 1. A multi league squad still has got a bigger roster to call upon yes, because they have 3 leaguers! In theory there are very few players that can 3 league. Just because Dice as an example have a lot of players that can 3 league, doesn't mean that this is an unfair rule for everyone else. It means Dice is stacked. And good on them. They are a solid core group of friends that have been teaming with each other for many seasons. It is an unnecessary advantage for a 1 league squad to face Dice and be able to have 35 warbirds to call upon compared to there squad of multi leaguers because multi leaguing is a lot harder than just playing 1 ship.

Maybe the variables aren't right for the amount of extra players a multi league squad is granted but we can only know for sure during/after the twl season... Right now I personally think the variables decided are fair.

[M_M God]

You could always make this more difficult / interesting and decide to assign leagues to certain players, for example:
- Ardour , TWLD
- Ease, TWLD, TWLJ, TWLB
- Beam, TWLD, TWLJ


etc..
And limit the players that can be assigned per subleague.
So 3 league squads would need to have their javs on for a TWLJ and they can't just add any player anymore..Just my 2 cents

[kthx]

This is an endeavor in retarditity, its not going to help anything, its not going to do anything, and the more stupid shit you tack on to the end of the original retarded change/idea the worse the retarded idea gets. If you insist on making this stupid shit happen just do it but don't do like 30000 other changes to make this a glorified twdt.

[Flew]

If I could add. We could provide teams with postponements like they do in the Hockey Zone League, RSHL. This would provide squads who know ahead of time that they will not be able to show postpone their game and reschedule the game on a later date. I would also like to add that TWL be made on days ranging from Friday to Sunday instead of just Sunday because many players such as myself find it difficult to make it on Sunday. Have squads with option to play on three days rather than just the one Sunday as this will allow for a smaller roster and a higher chance of players showing because they can arrange a date and time for the game instead of just a time.