Revised TWLB Proposal

[Rough]

maybe we should try to get the game on steam lol.

Let's try to get the game on steam on a national holiday too, makes complete sense.

[Jerome Scuggs]

I wouldn't go as far as saying that this season will fail, but rather I would say that it fails to bring a positive impact to the zone.

if this was like a science experiment i think we'd have to start admitting that many of the hypotheses about why the zone population keeps falling are incorrect. i feel as if we've tried everything within our power to affect change, but the problem is the thing that's outside our power: we can't force people to play subspace.

i am reminded of things like old companies/brands trying to 'reinvent' themselves and just becoming a joke before failing, or a family trying to keep grandma 'alive' by plugging her into some machine so she can live out her days stuck in a bed pissing into a bag. at some point you start to wonder if it's worth the change, or if we should let it just go out the way we remember it best.

the reason i personally oppose this is because i'm worried, in a different way, about the 'stackers' and the captains opposed to this - it's my opinion that although they obviously skewer the competitiveness of the league, unfortunately they are also pretty crucial to it. i think these try-hards would resort to boycotting the league or throwing some sort of tantrums in other ways, most likely appeal abuse centered around the cap/rating system, but given the change in how appeal's are handled you would see people suspended which would then piss more people off and basically the league wouldnt die of natural causes (activity) but purely artificial causes (controversy, anger, the ridiculousness of it all driving league ops to resign, etc)

has there been any sort of 'roundtable discussion' between the league ops and the captains? or did y'all measure the reaction based on thread posts and maybe some private messages in-game?

[Crescent Seal]

the league ops

twl starts in a week and we still dun have a twl op...heard we got greenlight on steam tho so dats gud news lol

[Fork]

We can also advertise on steam too:

Win real cash this weekend! (Amount).

Tbh steam fails because of pub... Vets love pub because they grew up here (when the hype was really about the concept of gaming online). We certainly have not tried much in pub... Where is the fucking incentive to play? New players won't just play 100 rounds of the same thing for nothing? They really should have put in some incentive for these players before steam was released still comes down to lack of developers I guess

It's either wait for a new client and let the game just fade or actually make changes to pub to maximise the fun and addiction... Not this bs change ship settings all the time

[forwards]

maybe we should try to get the game on steam lol.

LOL

[Ravos]

we can't force people to play subspace.

And that is where you are wrong!!!

[Mythril]

Once again Ephemeral spends all his time doing nothing but asking 5000 questions per post and never actually suggesting anything. This isn't the government, NFL, NBA, or a court of law. This is a random hobby of a game that we all play to have fun with our friends and compete to win in the only league that actually means much. Rules and structure will never be perfect, we don't have a multi billion dollar industry with paid professional employees who go through every possible scenario and make the fairest rulings. Even the NFL finds new flaws in their rules every season. We've done pretty damn well considering we pay our League Ops 0 dollars and expect so much time and accountability from them. Say thank you maybe. And stereotyping every 'veteran' because a few trolled you by saying they wanted you to die? This is the internet, I'm sure all of us want you to get better. Cancer sucks.

Stacking has happened every year since season 1. Players want to win and in order to do that today you can't do that with players who suck balls, unless everyone buys in. That will never happen, elite players are friends with other elite players and tend to want to play together. That won't ever end. I've played on mediocre squads and I've played on stacked squads. You know how much credit I got for helping make Pandora competitive in TWLD a few years ago when the roster was a joke? None, nobody gives a shit, I lost. I've won TWLD as a heavy underdog and received about as much credit as if I won on the most stacked squad. Nobody cares or remembers how you won, as long as you did. It's tough to do in any league in any season.

If you want the game to be more fair, maybe more players need to become better and even the playing field with the rest of the elites. TWL is a competition, if you're not good enough then you don't get to win. EVERYONE is allowed to compete, but only the best get to win. Isn't that like every other competition or sport? I've played this game for almost 15 years and I still spend my time in dd's trying to get better and smarter. Too many players just log on for fun and go through the motions with the same low IQ and same skill level without improving.

There's no excuse for sucking for over 10 years and definitely no space for shitty players getting to play when competition is at the highest level. Just being a smart player will allow you to play at an elite level in team play, you don't even need to be the most skilled. Look at Welt, his skills are not even close to the level of top players but he's able to play in and win TWLD finals while more 'talented' players sit behind him on the bench. He's found a style that allows him to be successful and that's what more people need to do. I can respect that. There's too many idiots who play every day and will get 7 deaths in a DD or JD just because they took a stupid shot. They'll then make that same shot for the next 4000 DD's they play over the next 8 years. It makes no sense. Yes, I'm high.

Everyone is quick to blame the elite players without blaming the people holding the game back from being more competitive: the players who haven't commited to becoming good enough to be competitive with the rest of us. Why is it megaman's fault that he can log on this game 3 times a year and still start over players who log on everyday, play for hundreds of hours and still can't catch up to his skill level? Should you get to play because you're more active? That activity hasn't contributed to making yourself more valuable than an inactive megaman, so no. The goal is to win.

Now if you're talking about good players who bench on stacked squads without playing on a worse squad, then yeah they're pussies and ruining the game and should be publicly shamed and called out every season until they grow balls.

[Star Fox]

Myth u forgot to sign your post

[megaman89]

Once again Ephemeral spends all his time doing nothing but asking 5000 questions per post and never actually suggesting anything. This isn't the government, NFL, NBA, or a court of law. This is a random hobby of a game that we all play to have fun with our friends and compete to win in the only league that actually means much. Rules and structure will never be perfect, we don't have a multi billion dollar industry with paid professional employees who go through every possible scenario and make the fairest rulings. Even the NFL finds new flaws in their rules every season. We've done pretty damn well considering we pay our League Ops 0 dollars and expect so much time and accountability from them. Say thank you maybe. And stereotyping every 'veteran' because a few trolled you by saying they wanted you to die? This is the internet, I'm sure all of us want you to get better. Cancer sucks.

Stacking has happened every year since season 1. Players want to win and in order to do that today you can't do that with players who suck balls, unless everyone buys in. That will never happen, elite players are friends with other elite players and tend to want to play together. That won't ever end. I've played on mediocre squads and I've played on stacked squads. You know how much credit I got for helping make Pandora competitive in TWLD a few years ago when the roster was a joke? None, nobody gives a shit, I lost. I've won TWLD as a heavy underdog and received about as much credit as if I won on the most stacked squad. Nobody cares or remembers how you won, as long as you did. It's tough to do in any league in any season.

If you want the game to be more fair, maybe more players need to become better and even the playing field with the rest of the elites. TWL is a competition, if you're not good enough then you don't get to win. EVERYONE is allowed to compete, but only the best get to win. Isn't that like every other competition or sport? I've played this game for almost 15 years and I still spend my time in dd's trying to get better and smarter. Too many players just log on for fun and go through the motions with the same low IQ and same skill level without improving.

There's no excuse for sucking for over 10 years and definitely no space for shitty players getting to play when competition is at the highest level. Just being a smart player will allow you to play at an elite level in team play, you don't even need to be the most skilled. Look at Welt, his skills are not even close to the level of top players but he's able to play in and win TWLD finals while more 'talented' players sit behind him on the bench. He's found a style that allows him to be successful and that's what more people need to do. I can respect that. There's too many idiots who play every day and will get 7 deaths in a DD or JD just because they took a stupid shot. They'll then make that same shot for the next 4000 DD's they play over the next 8 years. It makes no sense. Yes, I'm high.

Everyone is quick to blame the elite players without blaming the people holding the game back from being more competitive: the players who haven't commited to becoming good enough to be competitive with the rest of us. Why is it megaman's fault that he can log on this game 3 times a year and still start over players who log on everyday, play for hundreds of hours and still can't catch up to his skill level? Should you get to play because you're more active? That activity hasn't contributed to making yourself more valuable than an inactive megaman, so no. The goal is to win.

Now if you're talking about good players who bench on stacked squads without playing on a worse squad, then yeah they're pussies and ruining the game and should be publicly shamed and called out every season until they grow balls.

Amen. Also this game is DEAD, it's not coming back from it's glory days people. The sooner you understand that, the better. The people who kept this game thriving and active have all grown up and have bigger worries than logging into a game to POSSIBLY play a TWD game or 2. This game can not compete with anything out there, and you forcing people to not play with the people they want to would have made the few vets you have left go away even quicker. I love how people can bash me for not "helping" make the zone active when none of you have neither, literally not one thing changed since I last logged in during the TWL finals, but I guess me being more active during that time would have changed everything...lol

[kthx]

TW Staff needs to create their own dick showing game is the problem.

[Draft]

but I guess me being more active during that time would have changed everything...lol

It would, you and Ease being inactive killed this zone, thanks.

[forwards]

Amen. Also this game is DEAD, it's not coming back from it's glory days people. The sooner you understand that, the better. The people who kept this game thriving and active have all grown up and have bigger worries than logging into a game to POSSIBLY play a TWD game or 2. This game can not compete with anything out there, and you forcing people to not play with the people they want to would have made the few vets you have left go away even quicker. I love how people can bash me for not "helping" make the zone active when none of you have neither, literally not one thing changed since I last logged in during the TWL finals, but I guess me being more active during that time would have changed everything...lol

lol so wrong...