Double Elimination Tournament

[Tiny]

I just did some thinking about the finals, and I feel like we are getting screwed a little bit with this new heads up finals match. We should not be playing the winners of the loser's bracket heads up. I understand this would be a pain and more time consuming to allow for another game, but in a double elimination tournament, its only fair to come from the loser's bracket with a deficit. Not only are the loser's bracket players getting a second chance, but they are coming in hot off a victory while the winners have a bi-week, and playing the head to head best of 3? That just doesn't make any sense to me. I just google'd double elimination tourneys just to do a small bit of research and the first thing I found was this....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double...ion_tournament

The championship finals of a double elimination tournament is usually set up to be a possible two games. The rationale is that since the tournament is indeed double elimination, it is unfair to have the W Bracket champion eliminated with its first loss. Therefore, while the W Bracket champion needs to beat the L Bracket champion only once to win the tournament, the L Bracket champion must beat the Winners' Bracket champion twice.

Needless to say, this is a pretty standard practice as we did it last year for TWL and this year for TWEL. I think you need to reconsider this and make it a best of 5 with 1-0 start. Granted it would be probably in our best interest to play fierce and only have to win twice, I feel it would be unfair to them and burn for winning the winner's brackets divisions the way this is setup.

[Rule]

Really?
Squads in the winner's bracket should be good enough to win a best of 3 or best of 5 without having to try and have the scales tipped even further to their advantage. This is why the leagues are garbage now, players like yourself stack under the same dimwitted leadership year after year - don't even want to compete for a genuine victory - looking instead to tweak every aspect of leagues to their advantage.

[kess]

No brainer, no point discussing this during the season, especially mid playoffs, the rules were known in the beginning.

Im fine with how it is, and im fine with how it was last season, as long staff makes its clear. The losing bracket team still has to play an extra game and risk losing and not making finals.

And i also agree with rule, if u beat a team once, ur able to beat them again.

[Tiny]

Who's tweaking? It's standard practice in a double elimination. What we are doing now would be considered a tweak.

[Turban]

Sorry, but no advantage will be given this year.

Last season was different from this one as there was no initial split between Winner's and Loser's Bracket, but rather we had set it up as a simple double elimination tournament where everyone started in the Winner's Bracket and thus it actually made sense to reward the teams that never dropped to the Loser's Bracket as every team started on equal standing. The advantage from last season was to give an extra incentive to the teams to keep on winning in the hopes to gain that advantage.

However this season we have already given the advantage to the top teams of the regular season as only the four best teams in each league were two chances in the tournament. This tournament setup has been implemented to ensure that the very best teams qualify for the Championship match while also letting every team to participate and gain some valuable experience, and I am sure most of us can recall several seasons in the past where the top teams faced each other in the earlier rounds which often lead to a one-sided match in the Finals. This season would have had a very similar scenario as BurN, one of the strongest teams on paper, got eliminated by Fierce in the first round due to the regular season not going as expected for neither of the teams, and thus we would have had a less competitive final as an end result.

This is simple logic and reasoning.

[Tiny]

Thanks for your consideration

[royCE]

Hold on, so you're telling me

The winner of the losers bracket gets to lose and still make the finals

But if the winning brackets team lose once they are out for good.

Rofl who is running this season and why arnt they banned from the game in general? Fucking morons all over the place.

Not sure why we should even accept this type of shit, the replay week appeal was enough bullshit as it is.

Rofl wow

[Turban]

Hold on, so you're telling me

The winner of the losers bracket gets to lose and still make the finals

But if the winning brackets team lose once they are out for good.

Rofl who is running this season and why arnt they banned from the game in general? Fucking morons all over the place.

Not sure why we should even accept this type of shit, the replay week appeal was enough bullshit as it is.

Rofl wow

The irony is real.

It is hard to take criticism from someone who is widely regarded as one of the feeble-minded players of the community. Additionally you seem to lack basic reading comprehension skills which is rather concerning given the country you live in, but I guess that is off topic for now.

Anyway, to repeat myself once again, the basic idea behind this tournament setting is to ensure that we will have the best teams facing each other in the championship match. We have given a huge advantage to the top teams in each league and that, in and of itself, should be enough and as a result we already have seen several competitive and close matches that otherwise would not have happened if it was not for this type of a tournament. As a matter of fact, this kind of a tournament setting has been used in several popular online tournaments and proven to be successful thus there is no reason to tweak it to favor any of the teams that have made it to the Championship match despite the fact that they demand to get an additional advantage to improve their chances of victory. The fact is that there is no need to give even more of an advantage with this tournament setup. We will have a good and fair match on November 22nd, and if your team does not like it .. well, that sucks for you.

From a bystanders point of view it seems like both of you are lacking in confidence which is clouding your opinion on the matter. I would recommend looking into recruiting someone to hold some quality pep talks before the match to fix that issue. We are not running a default double elimination tournament, but rather a split tournament with two brackets both of which have their individual characteristics.

[royCE]

Sugar coat your little smart ass opinion to make yourself pass as more intelligent all you want, but I can read just fine.

Your brilliant tourney setup allowed for one team in the finals to have a second chance and not the other.

I don't care how you want to justify it. You're a fucking shmuck like the rest of burn squadron and you're on one of their cocks, most likely eases.

It was appearant fierce was the favorite to not lose in playoffs and it seems your little tourney is nothing but a handicap against us.

Don't worry, there isn't any lack of confidence here, but ever since your little replay week shit you pulled, im not surprised at your response. Thunder cock rider is all you are kiddo.

[royCE]

Talking about I'm feeble minded, here's a fuck boy who can't distinguish an age old rule that has forever warranted a one week ban that was strongly associated with only having 1 game played a week, then does a replay week and bans a player for two games played on one day.

Along with the fact that he can't see where the unfair advantage lies where a tourney is actually named double elimination and still can't comprehend it takes double times to get eliminated through his nerdy fukin skull. But of course this is a common trait about nerds who spend all their time on mmorpgs, they develop this sense that they are right about everything when in fact they work at Walmart during the day and are mad at everyone else for being dumb enough to not know where the trash bag section is.

Stupid fukin imbecile, you're rewarding every team that lost with a chance to win again, yet are shafting the only team that worked the hardest to make it to the finals undefeated in playoffs.

But Derh Derh Derh other games use this setup Derh Derh

Fucking idiot

[Turban]

Well, that is funny in more ways than just one and further reinforces my opinion about you.

First of all, I am not on BurN and could give less about that team or any other team. In fact, granting this would heavily favor the aforementioned group of players and the fact that you tried to slump me into that group is rather hilarious as it clearly proves how narrow-minded you are as a player and how little thought you put into your posts. It is true that I have some friends in that squad, but I also would consider myself a good friend of players from other squads including some members of Fierce, thus that is not really a valid point to make. However, to clarify this to you, I am not the type of a player who will blindly follow someone else which should already be clear to most players and am fully capable of functioning on my own. Thank you for your concerns, though!

Secondly, while I do admit that there was severe staff miscommunication issues, some of which I was responsible of as I had not paid enough attention to the "transfer scene" on the last day of the hard lock, and that ultimately lead into us having to host a Replay Week. We really hoped to avoid delaying the season by an additional week, but no one is perfect. Alas, that is all in the past and there is no reason to cry over spilled milk. As a matter of fact, as per the current rules, we could have given your squad instant forfeitures for fielding ineligible players to the lineup as it is the captains responsibility to add an eligible lineup, and if they screw up then it is ultimately their fault. However given the special circumstances regarding that match, and the fact that I did not have the full player status of LaSenza as to when he left and joined your squad which made me listen to what other TWL operators had to say, and that made me believe that LaSenza was in fact eligible and allowed to play. Had I known the facts at that time, I would have told that he was not eligible that weekend. Thus, it was only fair to grant a replay match to the teams instead of forfeiting the matches and warning your squad.

And to finish it off, we have already announced the playoff format way in advance and there is no point to make changes two weeks before the Championship match. This would be a stupid move on our part and very unfair to all the participating teams as everyone who cares about this league, and follows the scene, should have known which kind of playoff format we were going to use this season. We are not running a standard double elimination tournament similar to last season, but rather a tweaked version of it that is also used in several other online games.

Oh, and now that I see another post by you, well .. a one week waiting period means a player must wait one week before being eligible. The key word is "week" in that rule; it is not called a one match waiting period for a damn good reason.

Anyway, to get back to the point, I am not here to give advantages to those who feel like they deserve it, because quite frankly, no team is above another team and everyone deserves to be treated equally. Fierce is as important as any other team in the zone and this tournament setting has proven to be balanced and fair in other games. You can feel as entitled as you want to feel, but it will not matter as I respect your team as much as I do any other team that participates in the leagues.

But, hey, feel free to try again, kiddo.

[royCE]

I'm not trying anything, just exposing you for what you are. A self entitled be littling know it all fuck boy who thinks his formula is somehow fair. Ironic thing is you mentioned the word fair multiple times in your post. Isn't that funny? An imbecile of course wouldn't know why it's humorous and ironic. Word fair in your posts mean absolutely nothing.

You changed a formula that works and has worked for ages in this game, for the sake of a format that's minimally different than before. If we played by old format, not much would have changed at all in regards to teams qualified and how elimination rounds went.

Instead, you're masking this unfair bullshit with "new format" from other games? Wtf are you talking about, it has never been done that way and it won't now.

A fucking loser gets one game against them in a game of best of 5. That means 1-0 fierce, and we either win with 2-0 or lose by 3-1 or 4-2.

The fuck are you cheating for you flaming fgt. Good job completely fucking up this season

[Turban]

But, hey .. we can keep going on with this back-and-forth argument.

I am the type who really does enjoy discussing and responding to the complaints of players rather than turning a blind eye to every post, and every once in a while someone does have a valid reason to be upset or angry about the something which can potentially lead us into adjusting the format or rules. However until this day no one had bothered to complain about the new tournament format which we announced months in advance, and it is quite hilarious how the reasoning behind these complaints by you two is due to the fact that last season we gave an advantage to the champion of the Winner's Bracket. Unfortunately it is an invalid argument as we are running a vastly different playoff format.

Now, I don't know if your memory is good enough to remember, but last season Fierce would have made it to the final match of the playoffs if it wasn't for us trying out a new playoff format. As a matter of fact, several teams including yours were really upset that they had to start with a disadvantage last season as well, but we ultimately stuck with the original plan and no one complained in the end. It worked out, and the players seemed to like it. This season we are again trying out something new and if you don't like it then you don't have to play.

Your squad has historically been a menace for a long time with Season 18 being a very good example of the mentality some of your members share. I recall most of your members boycotting to play the rematch finals unless it was on the time and date you guys wanted which is rather pathetic.

Unfortunately I am not the kind of TWL operator who will bend to your squads will, sorry. If a team can't make it to the match or decide to boycott the tournament, they will lose the match due to not fielding enough players to the match.

[royCE]

Last season, cobra had a game in hand.

The reason no one has mentioned anything up until now is because none of my squad mates actually knew you changed anything.

You posting rules which no one reads doesn't justify a change. It's the equivalent of agreeing to Terms of use prior to installing a new software. You pulled some shady shit.

Not a single player on our squad, and most likely other squads knew of this. Including our captains. That means you made a poor attempt at getting across any new rules you decided to implement without players consent. People not objecting to it doesn't justify your action. They can't object to something they don't know it's happening.

You cheating fuck boy. Step down and let someone more qualified run it. It's apparent from the replay fuckary you're not up to the task, let alone what you're pulling now

[Jones]

Did Fierce lose to Cobra last season in the first playoff game? If so then you should be happy about the new system as the old one would have eliminated you there