i miss pusher.

[Jonas]

Originally posted by Nickname
If nobody got warned, he can't take any points away. Simple as that.

Originally posted by Kim Eugene
I haven't seen any of those games mentioned above, but its obvious that TWL Ops need to be impartial, meaning that they can't belong to a squad currently in play. It just causes unneeded contraversy, even though the person is "known" to be wise in decision.

[Mantra-Slider]

didnt pusher leave his squad when he was i charge of twl?

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

You bet he did. And our smoking section became sadly less-smoky.

[TopGod]

Dantax4Life.

[sTuPiD-gErBiL]

this is great. the score finally got posted on the website saying we forfeitted the match.

it's nice to know that you can outline absolute proof a ruling is wrong, as well as include bonus material why the twl op is an idiot... and you still only get one response from the aforementioned op (and an uneducated one at that).

and you wonder why other zones call tw a newb zone.

[Dameon Angell]

Originally posted by Kim Eugene
I haven't seen any of those games mentioned above, but its obvious that TWL Ops need to be impartial, meaning that they can't belong to a squad currently in play. It just causes unneeded contraversy, even though the person is "known" to be wise in decision.

there we go, make me S-MOD cuz i know none of you and I wont screw anyone over

But, sereously, all joking aside. If you have an official in a squad and they have to make a decision between their squad and anothers or between another squad and a rival "enemy" squad then they're most likely gonna go with their feelings. thats just human nature, to look out for their own crew.

Originally posted by Mantra-Slider
didnt pusher leave his squad when he was i charge of twl?

Yeah, I think I remember him being in something like "Jurassic 5" or something different.

[Sirius]

but its obvious that TWL Ops need to be impartial, meaning that they can't belong to a squad currently in play.

Agreed. Humans will be humans, and it's only natural that human flaw will trickle into enforcement of unbias rules over time. I had Connection <ER> pull that type of bias bullshit against me and my lag in a tourny yesterday in which I otherwise would have made quick work of him.

But what can you expect, how old are most of these people anyway? Can't expect a completely professional environment in a 2d spaceship game hosted without any financial responsibilities on behalf of the users.

[Cig Smoke]

ur rite sirus....but the fact remains EPI was dion a very good job so i thought w/ this season..it wsa running fairly smooth...but then as it seems pusher quit and epi seems to be abusing....back to the old ways i guess


on a side note gerbil...it has that we havta negotiate our TWLD vs Focus in which we won on sunday...Isnt it funny how we got punished by most our guys laggin out in TWLB and getting a 117k-0k loss...but when we duel Focus and they lag and we didnt we havta replay...yes lag hit everyone on sunday at that time i know...but the fact remains there last guy was at 9 deaths...that shouldnt havta be replayed..we were ahead by miles

[Cig Smoke]

on a side note to that TWLD...Dimboy did put bobo back into the game and we killed him for his 10th death so techincaly we did win then anyway...but gerbil u know we wont get credited for it and will havta replay

[Randedl]

Originally posted by Kim Eugene
I haven't seen any of those games mentioned above, but its obvious that TWL Ops need to be impartial, meaning that they can't belong to a squad currently in play. It just causes unneeded contraversy, even though the person is "known" to be wise in decision.

i haven't found epinephrine to have a bias towards his squad at all this season.

regarding replays in twl, i was told that both twl ops come to a consensus. however, when i appealed melee's week 7 twlb against anti-scrub, i was told that it would be the pusher and an assigned mediator making the decision. epi was excluded because elusive had (and still does) an interest in melee losing that match (twlb standing wise).

twl ops do their best to be unbiased in regards to their squad. and the melee vs cripples match mentioned above has nothing to do with elusive. if you don't like his decision you don't like his decision, but he's not doing it to benefit elusive.

[sTuPiD-gErBiL]

Originally posted by Randedl
i haven't found epinephrine to have a bias towards his squad at all this season.

regarding replays in twl, i was told that both twl ops come to a consensus. however, when i appealed melee's week 7 twlb against anti-scrub, i was told that it would be the pusher and an assigned mediator making the decision. epi was excluded because elusive had (and still does) an interest in melee losing that match (twlb standing wise).

twl ops do their best to be unbiased in regards to their squad. and the melee vs cripples match mentioned above has nothing to do with elusive. if you don't like his decision you don't like his decision, but he's not doing it to benefit elusive.

i don't want a replay. melee won fair and square. good game, move on, next topic. however, epi's actions after the game were abusive, biased, and completely based on ignorance. if he saw 4 people in and a couple of cripples in spec and immediately assumed that we "specced our entire team (epi's words, not mine)", then he obviously wasn't present to witness the lag troubles before/during/after the match. added with the fact of completely ignoring his own wording of the rule, it's 100% undeniable abuse on his part. the bad part is that since pusher left, epi's in charge by himself. so i can sit here and make him look like a douche all day, but until he shows some maturity and responsibility, then nothing will get accomplished.

too bad there's no checks/balances system in place to remove an incompetent league coordinator.

[Randedl]

guano's actually a twl op now, epi isn't completely in charge.

and yes it was a good game, yes people did lagout, but i think you guys put alot more emphasis on that than there should have been.

we had our terr lagout at the start of the game, the rule says "if your terr isn't warped, the game restarts" well, our terr wasn't in the game to be warped

you can switch two players' ships, you would have been down a player for a bit, but you still could have, instead, you specced all but 2 players on your team.

the complete and utter disinterest that cripples showed in the match (was it 4 or 5 of you in ?go javs?) is huge grounds for surprise at how you care after the fact. i actually felt bad for the couple guys that did keep playing, good on them and shame on the rest of your squad.

you guys joke around the whole time "maybe we'll show 8" "at least we can put up half a fight if we do show 8" "this game is a joke, let's go play javs", but when you get the chance to stir up some shit you do?

either care about the damn leagues or don't, yeah you have some roster problems, but that tune gets old, it's your decision to stay in leagues, nobody else is forcing you to play, now deal with it. epinephrine not liking your squad is the least of your twl worries right now, believe me.

[Luckily Yours]

rand does ave a point .....

and so does gerbil

u all can stop whining now , cripples try to give some competition to the people u play against , its a waste coming here on sunday to fight a squad who is a joke for the league ....

"we dont care"

"epi is #$"%$! he screwed us "$##$#!" very strange statements put together

[Epinephrine]

My decision was fully based on what the ref (Malice Mutt <ER>) told me had happened. I trust the refs to not lie.

-Epi

[sTuPiD-gErBiL]

Originally posted by Epinephrine
My decision was fully based on what the ref (Malice Mutt <ER>) told me had happened. I trust the refs to not lie.

-Epi

that doesn't change the fact that no warnings were given.

so, assuming for argument's sake that i'm a complete liar and every cripple specced and went play javs... you're still left with 2 very glaring holes in your argument:

1) the ref, who has your undeniable and undying trust, does not know proper procedure for enforcing rules. if he did, he would have issued warnings if such an incident did occur.

2) you, as TWL Op, have to be able to listen to all sides of a dispute if the judgement of your ref ever falls into question. instead, you came in, made your green announcement, then refused to hear anything else... even to the point of being a complete prick to anyone who tried talking to you (apparently posting things on forums is the only way to get your attention). such behavior is evidence that you can't handle the responsibility of a position of power.

so do your job right, or get the fuck out.