Changes for next season

[Verthanthi]

WR's season is officially at a close, so I can post this stuff without bias now. All my suggestions are for next season, since it's too late to announce these changes now. I write these with TWLB in mind, but some could apply to the other leagues.


Edit: I deleted all the non-relevent bitching. All that matters is that one conference is signifigantly weaker.

I suggest having a wild card for the last playoff spot. Top 3 from each league, after that, the two next best ranked.

Another strange thing almost happened this season. If wr had beaten mambo and lost to shriek, mambo would have gone in ahead of wr to playoffs. WR would have been 3-1 against playoff squads in our conference, 1-1 against playoff squads in the other conference (I count camisade as a playoff squad, they'd shown they could compete). Mambo would have be 0-4 against playoff squads in our conference, and 0-1 against playoff squads in the other conference. This didn't happen, but the fact that it came close is a little unsettling.

I propose to find a better way to do tie breakers. I agree with epi that basing everything off one game (head-to-head) is a little unfair. However, using +/- does nothing to prevent the above scenario. One thought I had was to count the ranking of the teams beaten. Thus beating pallies would give 1 tie breaker point, beating british squad would give you 8...

Lastly, I'm still vaugley unsatisfied with the treatment of replacement squads. Under the current system, if a good squad gets replaced by a good squad, teams that had already played (and maybe lost to) the first squad get a free win, and squads that hadn't still have hard matches. I unfortunatly have no solution to this one.

Anyway, comments are welcome, and if anything is confusing I'll be happy to try to clarify.

[Cig Smoke]

i think i know what u mean :x, and i agree the +/- thing isnt erally a good way to go off points bc most good squad vs good squad is fairly close, the +/- is lengthend by those who care mroe vs the ezier matched (bs,cripz,ns)...if say WR didnt care to try there best vs say BS, they mite only win by 100k, but if say Mambo tried there best vs BS and won by 110k they would outdo theem in +/- which isnt rite dont exactly make the best team for playoffz

i didnt quite understand what u wer saying about replacement squads, but the fact remains ther wasnt really any worthwhile replacement squads this season...BR in base and Supremecy in TWLD are only decent ones...something else can maybe be done in choosing a replacement squad...i'd rather see the newly formed Cynical in TWLJ/TWLD then someone like Solstice (no offence)

[Mayo Inc.]

I think just choosing a squad based on rep such as cynical undermines the importance of TWD. Taking a closer look we see that cynical has played 1 TWD to date so STFU CIG.

I also don't like how +/- is the tie breaker, but I offer no possible solutions so I'll be quiet now.

[bloodzombie]

Re: Changes for next season

Originally posted by Verthanthi
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WR deserves to be in leagues. I think that's pretty clear. We're the only squad to beat pallies this season and one of two teams to beat light. We're 6-4. Anti-scrub will be going to playoffs with a record of 4-6, and elu with a 5-5 record. At the same time, I'd say all 4 of the squads going from our conference deserve their spot. mambo and spastic both beat us, and light and pallies have phenomenal records.

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I have mixed feelings about WR missing out on playoffs... partially relieved, since htey're the only squad to beat us this season, but at the same time, it doesn't seem right that they didn't make it, they're always a good time to play against.

that said.. you guys just didn't cut it. You have the skill to be in the playoffs, there's no doubt, but you took a couple bad losses. Consistency has to be part of it.

That's not to say that there's no problem. Anti scrub getting in and you guys not getting in is just about the conferences being uneven though. You guys are the better squad, Im sure of that. The other conference just has a lot less competition. From day 1 I looked at the conferences and couldn't believe it. Disoblige got a free ride having only a couple squads as possible competition for them While our conference was loaded with talent. The system they used seemed solid, but just didn't work out very good.

Figure out a better way to do the conferences, and you don't need the wildcard stuff.


WR shouldn't have lost to burning rose.

[Sleepy Weasel]

Why are you against having a wildcard bz? I think that's a good solution to possible uneven conferences.

[Sufficient]

Why have 2 conferences if only for the sake of having "conference pride"?

[Tyson Bitbeast]

Alot of things will change by the time next season arrives. If Epi does what he has been planning to do (give all the squads that are in TWL an invitation to the leagues next season) then there might be a possibility of 1-2 more conferences if more new squads make it to TWL. This can cause alot of problems for the TWL staff because alot of them might drop out and due to roster lock and other reasons , Possibility of 24 squads in each league is large but then again there is a possibility that most of the squads in TWL right now will dissolve. I don't know if what I just said has anything to do with ur post Verthanthi but I just thaught I'd say that.

-Tyson

[RyanG]

I agree that +/- should not be the first factor in tiebreakers. A good way to do it if people don't think head to head games should be the first tiebreaker is:

For 2 teams:
1) Winning percentage in common games
2) Head to head
3) Winning percentage in conference games
4) +/-

For 3 or more teams (if tiebreaker eliminates enough teams so there are only 2 teams left, go to 2 team tiebreaker):
1) Winning percentage in common games
2) Winning percentage in head to head games (if possible)
3) Winning percentage in conference games
4) +/-

I would rather see head to head games be the first tiebreaker personally, but the above format would be a lot better then simply using +/-.

[Gabraham]

I also have mixed feelings about wr not in playoffs too. You all know I love it, considering I don't get along with most of the "old school" wabbits for old reasons. But everyone here knows they deserve it.

Having conferences makes no sense if a squad is in different conferences in different leagues. Also, you can't tell before a season who's gonna rock and who's gonna collapse no matter how much you think you know. Shiznit happens, you cant balance conferences perfect beforehand. I'm sure most never expected Camisade to fall. They were damn good, but having tough games early (w/ losses) has got to destroy the morale of a "new" squad. You'd think the new squads that did really well in TWD (spas, and cami) would have gotten a break at the start rather than a hazing.

I'm not full of solutions, really. But taking top 8 teams is obvious. Teams with losing records shouldn't be allowed in playoffs.


Oh and tyson, MORE squads? are you nuts?..

[Randedl]

i'd rather see a season long stat like +/- than one game deciding seedings and whether or not one team makes the playoffs.

[Cig Smoke]

ya but if Melee beats Cripples head to head and by alot i'd havta say they are the better team...even if cripz won in +/-

also MAYO u eggroll Cynical only played 1 game in TWD bc the bots/website are fuxed up and cant get ppl on teh roster u dum shiz! ;p

but seriusly i kon its against having TWD, but i'd rather see a CYnical in TWL then a Faded or someone...but i agree TWD is a way to check out the stability

[bloodzombie]

Originally posted by Sleepy Weasel
Why are you against having a wildcard bz? I think that's a good solution to possible uneven conferences.

The answer to this is simple... becuase I don't understand it.

[splatz]

Cynical in TWLJ/TWLD then someone like Solstice (no offence)

?find solstice
Not online, Last seen 9 days ago.


offense taken

[Facetious]

Am I the only one that doesn't understand the point of having conferences at all? Why not just have all 16 teams in the same group, and then just randomly assign the matches, and then assign the playoffs completely by rank? Looking at the eastern conference in TWLJ makes it pretty clear in my mind that the conference system is pretty dumb. How in the hell can going 4-6 in a conference with four teams that are 2-8 or worse be better than going 4-6 in a conference where everyone (except NS) is fairly competitive? I bet Value could take Melee in javs fairly easily.

A wildcard would be better than the current system, for sure, but it'd be awesome if someone could explain to me why conferences even exist in the first place.

Also, Cig, can you honestly say that you'd rather have Cynical in TWL than -Solstice-? Because that's pretty stupid in my mind. Solstice, as much as they kind of suck, and as much as I hate their shmucky captain, has at least proven that they can stick around longer than two weeks. In my few years of Subspace playing, I've seen squads like Death, WildFire, Cynical, Shriek, etc reform and then dissolve about six billion times. It's pretty clear that squads dissolving really contributes to the leagues being unstable, so I see no reason to let a squad like Cynical to take precedence over a squad that has at least shown that they can stay around for a while.

[Randedl]

and then DASHsolsticeDASH (i love that, gg nick) beats light. . .