Changes for next season

[Luckily Yours]

i left it clear that multiple tiers wont involve more games than multiple conferences , as well as the burocracy would be the same , just managing two sepparate league tables ... since the rules are the same , its just no difference ....

plus , alot of people are already missing out on real competition , and the skill lvl is already restricted .... i think competition isnt going to a game and getting blown out by a better squad , but rather going to a game knowing u have a chance to win , therefore i think multiple tiers provide for more competition ... since good squads play good squads and lesser squads play lesser squads , than by winning lower tier u play the vs the bottom squads of upper tier , if u beat them then u prove u can compete in upper tier ( i think bloodzombie was right about this, since it would be no good that 3 decent squads drop down and a squad who cant compete in upper tier move up )

also in premier there is rivalry among tiers because there are good players playing in the tiers below the one their skill level is at , making that a squad in IML per ex , could sometimes beat a squad in PRO .... this happens because players spread alot in premier ... but in tw i dont see a blood or a vihta doing wat bhang did and joining AseVoimat for instance .....

as for uor view of the cripples situation cig smoke , i couldnt care less , Cripples is clearly a bottom tier squad in my opinion and if u uorselves say u dont care enuff to compete in upper tier than lower tier is uor place ... and maybe get some squad that cares in uor place on the top tier

[Fit of Rage]

Wildcard

Do it. That, or get rid of conferences. The top squads (ones with highest record) should go to playoffs. Not a squad that barely pulls a .500 and happens to be on top in their conference. My squad is really looking forward to being competative basers next leagues, so I'd like to see this change implemented.

[bloodzombie]

Yeah, I was against the wildcard before. But then I found out that sleepy thinks it's a good idea, so I'm on board. (plus I learned what the wildcard means).

[Verthanthi]

The one thing that conferences do is allow for teams to have a pretty solid standard to rank each other against. It does help to prevent people from having extrodinarily easy seasons, although as this season has shown, it's not a sure thing. Conferences also have a cleaner feel than a 16 team pileup.

I'd prefer to see the wild card than being conferenceless. Epi or guano, wanna let us know which way TWL ops are leaning?

[Cig Smoke]

luckily and bz, u were both missing my point, i only used Cripples as an example....yes we wouldnt mind being in lower tier that wasnt the point...the point was isnt it interesting to see a squad like cripples beat a squad like elusive? if u say no ur a dipshit....its intersting to see upsets like that...and they'd all eliminated if u go to 2 tier system

As for the blowout games, that is also what makes it interesting and makes each and every competative squad bring there A game each week....if two teams (say diso and pallies) went 10-0 in the season, and Pallies only beat BS or NS or Criples by a Small margine, and diso took it all serious and showed 8 consistant starters and raped us by alot...thats why they get #1 seed (in current system (+/-))....everything is done for a reason and making 2 tier system would take away them upsets

as for lowering the # of squads in each league, go for it if u dont think we can enough squads to fill in the spots of the ones dying after TWL, but i'd wait and watch the top squads in TWD see how good they are and how long they been around then make a decision

[Randedl]

with 2 tiers cig, u'd still get the bottom of 1 tier facing the top of the tier, you just wouldn't have the huge waste of time games. . .

[Luckily Yours]

there would be no blatant upsets , no , but u would never know before hand who the winner would be ... i pick that over one upset per season

plus like rand said , every other game vs a shit team that doesnt come out as an upset is just an utter waste of time

[Cig Smoke]

ya but the way the current system is (+/-) those blowout games are the ones that decide the factor of the tied squads from what i see it isnt so much the good vs good squads that do that its who wins by more vs us sucky squads

this season went well w/ the exception of how long it lasted why mess w/ the whole system just adjust the few things that went wrong this season

[Epinephrine]

How exactly would you replace a top tier squad that drops out then? If you say "take the best lower tier squad" then won't that screw up the lower tier? If you say "take a TWD squad" that would screw up the point of it all.

And don't say squads won't drop out casue they will. And not replacing the squad and leaving a hole is just really crappy for all.

-Epi

[Jonas]

Originally posted by Epinephrine
How exactly would you replace a top tier squad that drops out then? If you say "take the best lower tier squad" then won't that screw up the lower tier? If you say "take a TWD squad" that would screw up the point of it all.

And don't say squads won't drop out casue they will. And not replacing the squad and leaving a hole is just really crappy for all.

-Epi

You do like they do in hattrick (www.hattrick.org)
When one team drops out, all other teams get a walkover win, default in hattrick is 5-0. That would obviously not work here, so just make it the same as a no show gives now. Then replace the squads at the end of the season.

I see how this might seem unfair to some, seeing as one squad might play another, lose in a very tight match, while someone playing the squad afterwards would just get a free win. Well shit happens, and quite frankly I think it's a way better solution to the problem than the one we are using today.

[Jonas]

Oh, double post now, but what the heck. As for wildcards, if we're using wildcards, we might aswell say that the 8 best squads go through to the playoffs. That way we won't get any "unfairnes"

But even with 1 or 2 wildcards, or with the 8 best squads going through, I think it defeats the purpose of even having conferences.

[Sirius]

i'd rather see the newly formed Cynical in TWLJ/TWLD then someone like Solstice (no offence) - Cig Smoke

Why? Because you can recognize more names on that squad meaning it's definitely better? For your information Cynical is just a shallow 'get good quick' squad as solid as stacking maple syrup on a plate. There's been plenty of squads like that - Jux, Emerald, etc. They all have captains which can't weather anything but constant success, start up with a ton of good players, and the whole squad's psychological topography is on a mass hype of getting to the top within a day or two. When this fails, and the squad gets some losses or a few people leave, that hurls the whole squad into mental shock, and the morale of the squad is shattered, and everything breaks into pieces beyond repair. Squad dissolves, slowly accumulates more hype over a few months, and the process repeats itself.

and Supremecy in TWLD are only decent ones - Cig Smoke

Again, why, because they don't have -'s? Players and captains which worry themselves with petty junk like -'s in their squads or names already have insecurity and incompetence written all over their face, hence those squads fall apart at the drop of a hat. Stop being so ignorant and shallow; Supremacy hasn't even played our starters recently with anything worthwhile, and until they do there can't be any evaluation of which squad is better. Obviously Supremacy fell apart once - Solstice has yet to do so. You'd be amazed at the shit Solstice has endured over the past half a year.

[bloodzombie]

Originally posted by Jonas
You do like they do in hattrick (www.hattrick.org)
When one team drops out, all other teams get a walkover win, default in hattrick is 5-0. That would obviously not work here, so just make it the same as a no show gives now. Then replace the squads at the end of the season.

I see how this might seem unfair to some, seeing as one squad might play another, lose in a very tight match, while someone playing the squad afterwards would just get a free win. Well shit happens, and quite frankly I think it's a way better solution to the problem than the one we are using today.

I dislike the idea of not replacing a squad a LOT.

and cig smoke.. you beat elusive.. that's pretty cool for you guys.. but does it make up for all your no-show games, and games that you did show up to but got destroyed? not really even a litlte bit.

[Cig Smoke]

bz can u clear up how many no show's we had exactly? bc it isnt very many like ur making it out to be

and if we didnt ahve the roster lock like ppl are realizing its stupid we could possibly eliminated them to even a smaller #..but i am not gonna argue about something like that w/ all u pallies bc u seem to stick on something for a very long time and never let go..yes we had a few no shows and we got hurt the worst out of all w/ the roster lock but we still stayed alive through teh whole TWL unlike some (camisade,shriek) who were competative every week and cared..pretty sad eh?


sirius....Supremacy has been around for how many years now? yes they died like one time but it wasnt during a TWL season..and nwo they are rebuild and back in TWL which is a good thing...and as u always do u dont read into the posts b4 u try to bash that person...i said AS OF NOW the only squad that is a great replacement one is Supremacy...and i said -Solsice- wasnt a good replacement for TWLB...i never said u werent good for TWLD....read b4 u bash

and like u said sirius...Cynical has the ppl the better skilled ppl...and from what i was reading b4 in earlier posts everyone was worried about skill level over stable squads...but as i also posted I'd prefer the stable squad

[Awesome]

put all 16 teams in the same conference next year in all 3 leagues so the 8 teams with the best wins:loss records get in.