TSL Ratings S3

[qan]

And whats up with Hellrazor and cyclone? Do they count as 10 or does anything below 40 count as 40? Because the other day I saw cyclone listed as 1 in the !showteams and it counted as 1...

This is an important clarification -- I'll update the OP.

All ratings are as they appear, except for 0/(none), which gets changed to 40. So Hellrazor and Cyclone are rated as 10. This might be a bit low, but probably not by much. Rating them properly is extremely important for team balance, though.

In S1-2 the randoms were just added at the end (via a snake assignment), so it wasn't as big a deal as it is in S3, because they were spread fairly evenly. One time you might get a better unrated player and the next time one that's worse.

But this season, their being rated accurately is far more important, because the bot attempts to balance the overall ratings of the two teams as closely as it can.

This means a player who is rated at 80 is effectively being judged to be "as good as" two players rated at 40. If a thoughtful captain were given the choice between the 80 at 10 deaths, or a pair of 40s (each with their own 10 deaths -- basically an extra player), it should be an almost impossibly difficult decision, under the current algorithm. If the smart pick would always be the 80 player, then those players aren't playing at a 40 level and should probably have their rating dropped.

More clearly: Look at the expectations of a player performing at 80, and halve them for the unrated players/players playing at 40. If the 80 is expected to go on average 10-10 in d/j, the 40s should average 5-10. If the 80 is expected to average 12-10, the 40s should average 6-10. (This is somewhat of an oversimplification, as technically 2 players could do some further teaming, but for the most part it works.)

Properly rating unrated players is one of the single biggest improvements we can make in S3. They're much more destructive unrated than they were before, so let's try to get them sorted ASAP.

(We can also look at changing the unrated rating to 35 or even 30, if need be.)

[ForgottenGhost]

There are a LOT of javelins who are rated way too high, and it becomes apparent when you see "fair teams" getting absolutely steamrolled time and time again.

IMHO your rating should go down by more than 1 every game if you're consistently going 3-10 with 5 tks



edit: just wanted to point out this isn't really an issue with wb or base

only jav

[Voth]

There are a LOT of javelins who are rated way too high, and it becomes apparent when you see "fair teams" getting absolutely steamrolled time and time again.

IMHO your rating should go down by more than 1 every game if you're consistently going 3-10 with 5 tks



edit: just wanted to point out this isn't really an issue with wb or base

only jav

hi ogron

[Voth]

hi ogron

ForgottenG> plz keep secret until after TSL, thanks


have screenshot as well, choo choo

[ForgottenGhost]

Unrelated, but who's ForgottenGhost? I just had a look on the TSL site and the person has played well across the 3 leagues, is it Ogron hiding on an alias but still active?

no

hi ogron

I'm ForgottenGhost, but this is a fun league he made

[afghan]

no



I'm ForgottenGhost, but this is a fun league he made

Old vet that has an alias created two months ago?

http://www.trenchwars.org/index.php?...&sb.x=0&sb.y=0

[Ricko]

who is he kidding :laugh::laugh::laugh:

[GLYDE123]

who is he kidding :laugh::laugh::laugh:

Nowon

[skullspace]

looking for my name

[qan]

looking for my name

You'll need to !signup. Then any existing rating (carried over from S2) will show up on the page.

[Major Crisis]

Ra shouldnt be a 80 in base, more like 90-95.
Mithrandia isnt a 80 in base, more like 60-65.
Cyclone shouldnt be a 10 in base, he is awful but not worth 10..
Tripin should be 80 in both jav and base. (maybe 85 in base)
Amnesti is a 70 in base, currently still unrated.
Beasty isnt 88 in base, 75 looks more like it.
Shaun should be 70 in base.
Spectacular should be like 75 in jav