Ease esc+q to avoid death in TWEL-D match

[tragiK]

Look, there's no direct evidence here, we all know that - what we're left with is the whole "he said (s)he said" shitstorm that never seems to resolve itself.

So what can we do? Reputation comes into play here - Apok and Ease have both been around for a long fking time and both are pretty immaculate when it comes to reputation and honesty in the game. So when you got someone like Apok making such a big fking deal about all this, chances are something did happen. Ease admits he lagged out when he was in the corner, and as ignite has pointed out, Ease doesn't lag out all that much. Could it have been a freak occurrence? Sure. Could we do anything even if Ease intentionally spectated to escape the death? The rules do not define this, so we have to either reinterpret a current rule, or make a judgment call, based on the spirit of the rules.

Why are the rules there in the first place? To make sure that the game is played as it was intended, a battle of skill and tactics, not a battle to see who can exploit loopholes in the rulebook. And in this case, the lagout, intentional or not, clearly had an effect on the outcome of the game. Rule or not, that's all there is to it, and because the match was decided because of something independent of skill, the match should be replayed.

As we've consistently seen over and over throughout TWL and other leagues, the rules are imperfect, and frequently leave out things that may occur. What's important is not to nitpick every single rule; what's important is that we understand why the rules are there in the first place, and to get it right.

And in this case, the right thing is to replay the match.

[Burnt]

never even heard of u before, stfu jesus, tired of seeing your newbie cheating ass name on my forums

Exalt: The Antagonizer http://www.pcworld.com/article/16373...ne_forums.html

[Broly]

they are my forums when cheating newbies like you enter them and think you can speak with authority

[Exalt]

is all of quake going to cry about apok's duel? jesus

apok isnt even a 1v1 type player, he is a team 4v4 5v5 type player... he was expected to lose anyway

[Exalt]

Because all lagouts are always planned.

Hi Exalt. Didn't know these were "your" forums.

they are my forums when cheating newbies like you enter them and think you can speak with authority

[Turban]

Slightly off-topic, but still TWEL related:

Maketso vs. Shock Therapy (TWEL-J) ended up with Maketso winning. Shock Therapy complained about "lag" and they got a replay match thanks to that.

Shouldn't there be a replay for Ease vs. Apok in TWEL-D then? It's basically the same thing, Ease "lagged" his way to victory.

:wub:

[Broly]

Anyways, I don't buy this crap about a computer freezing up.

Everyone take a look at Ease's TWD and notice the lagout column.
http://twd.trenchwars.org/profile/7811/stats

Ease has a total of 3 lag outs in 36 rounds combined of TWDD, TWJD, and TWBD.

You're telling me this guy has problems with his computer's lag in a duel that he had been procrastinating the last two weeks and refusing to play Apok against? You're telling me that Ease suddenly decided to play Apok the moment he had this absolutely rare occurence of lag (1 out of every 12 rounds). Please, get real.

Bottom line is that Ease suddenly and without warning exited the arena before his tenth death with no prior signs of lag or spikes. Moreover, he has a clean record and almost never lags out.

Because all lagouts are always planned.

Hi Exalt. Didn't know these were "your" forums.

[ignite ignite]

Anyways, I don't buy this crap about a computer freezing up.

Everyone take a look at Ease's TWD and notice the lagout column.
http://twd.trenchwars.org/profile/7811/stats

Ease has a total of 3 lag outs in 36 rounds combined of TWDD, TWJD, and TWBD.

You're telling me this guy has problems with his computer's lag in a duel that he had been procrastinating the last two weeks and refusing to play Apok against? You're telling me that Ease suddenly decided to play Apok the moment he had this absolutely rare occurence of lag (1 out of every 12 rounds). Please, get real.

Bottom line is that Ease suddenly and without warning exited the arena before his tenth death with no prior signs of lag or spikes. Moreover, he has a clean record and almost never lags out.

[H.M.S. Stargazer]

Yeah, it's great to know that you made your decision on the whim based on a text from Broly a staff member that is on the same squad as Ease that monitored the match. I usually think that judges or higher ups would like to take a look at both sides of the story before making a decision of such great importance in our little TW community.

I based it on the rules available. And Broly actually wanted a rematch due to the suspicious nature of it. And I was contacted by Apok after the match. I stand by the decision that Ease didnt break any rules. And therefore won the match.

I did put PureOwnage in charge of TWEL for a reason. He has the right to overturn my call.

[Exalt]

Fans

never even heard of u before, stfu jesus, tired of seeing your newbie cheating ass name on my forums

[Scoop]

First of all, let me say that i wasn't even guaranteed dead. Apok is a great rusher and PROBABLY would have killed me but there's no way of telling, I felt i had some good distance on him, although it was hard to tell with all the lines of spam of '0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000' and 'CHOKECHOKECHOKECHOKE' being spammed at me. I started the game off with a pretty decent lead and when i started to lose it i got spammed more and more until my client froze and i had to quit and come back. Before it froze i had about half a screen of distance with maybe 50% energy. I came back shortly after it froze and then the duel finished.

I apologize to Apok if it seemed lame, however sometimes that shit just happens. I've fired at numerous people in TWD only to have them lag out and then come back in and spawn me. ALSO: THIS IS TWEL.

P.S. Apok what's with the tips on your screen? Press ESC F6 to get them off, your life would be much more enjoyable

What about the part where you spawned him after?

[Broly]

why are you talking you 6* newbie? stfu

Fans

[ignite ignite]

P.S. Apok what's with the tips on your screen? Press ESC F6 to get them off, your life would be much more enjoyable

Apok shouldn't be getting tips on his screen and if he does it is because he is the one that created them and should be giving them to Trench Wars.

On a more serious note. Why is Ease immediately replying after reentering from the lagout with laughter: 'rofl' and an admission of guilt: 'k that was evil'

I think it's pretty clear that he wasn't refering to the fact that his computer suddenly froze. And even if he didn't intentionally do this the very instant before he was about to die, the duel should be at least replayed.

[Exalt]

Whatever happend to you on staff Scoop?

why are you talking you 6* newbie? stfu

[With Ease]

First of all, let me say that i wasn't even guaranteed dead. Apok is a great rusher and PROBABLY would have killed me but there's no way of telling, I felt i had some good distance on him, although it was hard to tell with all the lines of spam of '0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000' and 'CHOKECHOKECHOKECHOKE' being spammed at me. I started the game off with a pretty decent lead and when i started to lose it i got spammed more and more until my client froze and i had to quit and come back. Before it froze i had about half a screen of distance with maybe 50% energy. I came back shortly after it froze and then the duel finished.

I apologize to Apok if it seemed lame, however sometimes that shit just happens. I've fired at numerous people in TWD only to have them lag out and then come back in and spawn me. ALSO: THIS IS TWEL.

P.S. Apok what's with the tips on your screen? Press ESC F6 to get them off, your life would be much more enjoyable