Plans for next season

[Zeebu]

thats pretty neat tbh, if the numbers could support it at least

[qan]

We should handle a poll to see everyone’s opinion whether to modify the rules to accommodate low skilled players or not since apparently we got opinions of both sides

If we had the numbers (and might be able to get more signups if people thought they could play), always thought it'd be interesting to have teams field two lines: pro and amateur.


Pro division would have no cap (or very high cap) and would play on Sunday as usual.

Amateur would have quite a low cap, or just be limited to 6* and below. Would play on a different day, perhaps midweek, or Saturday.

Scoring for the overall team would combine the two in some way. Pro would likely account for the majority of the score. For example, a pro win might be worth the usual 1, and an amateur win might be 0.5, 0.25, or even 0.1. But amateur wins would certainly factor in and have some relevance. Skilled captaining would therefore depend on fielding solid lines for both.


Positives: pro division would have higher-quality play; there would be fewer complaints about benching; far more players would be included; there would be real incentive to train and practice with newer players; newer players would be far more motivated to practice and break into pro division; single-league players would have a way to prove themselves and improve in their weak leagues. If we broke basing ship ratings down, amateur would also give a chance to build skill in new ships, especially shark and terr which are very difficult to get enough playtime to become any good at these days. (There is no real route to do this in 2019, so basing is essentially doomed unless the problem can be solved, and this is one possible solution.)
Negatives: more work to schedule; more dev work required; the ability of lower-skill players can vary wildly and would be difficult to gauge; may not have sufficient numbers to field both lines; amateur games might have an undue influence on overall standings and be received negatively by pro division players.

[beam]

Regardless of what the rules are, there's a limited number of people who can participate, which means others will be excluded. There's no perfect system to allow everybody to play. If you open a poll to the public, everybody will vote for whichever option benefits them. As there are more people who are bad than good, every poll will lean towards catering towards the bad players. The issue is that even if we continue to water down the competition even further there is still no way to let every 6/7 play and captains will of course add their best consistently and the same players will bench every week anyway. All it does is make the league more unpleasant for higher star players.

[ixt]

We should handle a poll to see everyone’s opinion whether to modify the rules to accommodate low skilled players or not since apparently we got opinions of both sides

[olde]

"Oh look we finally boosted up the population and competitiveness."

Ogron> "hold my Mtn dew let's fk it up"

Bench half the zone and play "pro twdt" while playing the same 20 nerds that can no longer stack together on Thunder/burn/Pandora or w/e sqd name u fgts used, because the zone is so fkn dead. " Great idea bud!!!!!!

Might as well just play TWL if you wanna kill the zone....

[ixt]

*pops popcorn*

[Attacks]

I thought you were many things, but never a liar Beam.
First stating you beat me in a non-existent duel, and second of all said I came at you and I started this.

You must think the general public of trench wars are absolute idiots if you think they would believe that your the victim of trolling and not the other way round.

Happy Christmas

[Tiny]

You're both pretty. Stfu

[beam]

sawyer and attacks are the only 2 people in this game that no matter how many times i beat them in a row they just don't stop coming at me... pretty sure both have mental problems

[Attacks]

Nice lies Beam, Ive never lost a duel vs you. And certainly not 10-2. However If you like ill duel you any place anytime. Just if its a ban duel if you can actually get banned this time unlike the duel you got beat by me and didnt go and get banned.
But you wont duel me because your not worth shit in a warbird without dangling off of Racka or Lasenza like a nasty hemeroid.

[Wirah]

I'm voting for Ogron's 2020 roadmap. Looks good to me

[beam]

lol attacks talked trash to me for 3 days straight prior to our twdtd match then he went 6-10 and lost to me badly then he talked trash to me for an hour until finally agreeing to ban duel me and then he lost 10-2 in the ban duel and refused to get banned... I think he has some kind of mental problems to keep talking trash to me and losing

[Attacks]

I completely agree with Ogron. The only reason somebody would ever be rated a 6 star anything in twdt is because they just put in 0 effort to improve and there's absolutely no reason we should be rewarding them in any way and especially not by benching active competitive players and forcing captains to add players who don't try to improve on their own.

Your doing yourself out of playtime you No shipper pub Newbie.

[banzi]

I hear you all, it wasnt designed for low star players. This is my first time participating so I am unaware of what kinks were worked out previously.

[afghan]

I agree with ogron and beam, it’s not supposed to be all inclusive although of course it’s better if there are more people playing. I’d argue for next league to have 41 star limit for wb/jav and 64 for base. Lots of rating inflation in wb/jav and itd be nice to have a little cushion.