Free Agency

[Turban]

I agree with Singer and was trying to argue this earlier with Zidane.

I would give Stayon 7/8/9 and Mythril 10/8/9 as they are far from their prime conditions, and based on the fact that we aren't giving other players in free agency draft ratings based on their potential. There are examples such as Vys (potential to be 10/9/8), Best (potential to be 10/9/8), Jack (potential to be 9/8/9), and some others. It feels like weird bias because I have seen Stayon and Mythril play and they are far away from what they used to be when they were actively competing in a TWL setting.

Just my two cents.

[Kassius]

I agree with Singer and was trying to argue this earlier with Zidane.

I would give Stayon 7/8/9 and Mythril 10/8/9 as they are far from their prime conditions, and based on the fact that we aren't giving other players in free agency draft ratings based on their potential. There are examples such as Vys (potential to be 10/9/8), Best (potential to be 10/9/8), Jack (potential to be 9/8/9), and some others. It feels like weird bias because I have seen Stayon and Mythril play and they are far away from what they used to be when they were actively competing in a TWL setting.

Just my two cents.

On Mythril, the guy came back out of nowhere and won the WB TWEL with Racka. Purely from my experience vs him in that tourney and in recent DDs, I'd say he's not a 10 but more of a 9.

Riverside on 8 though, that's a head scratcher for me. Last time I played TW he was one of the best in the zone, when there were a lot more active players too.

I'm a 7 though so disregard as required.

[Nipple Nibbler]

I'm sure poni could pull his 8* weight in his prime, but he only plays DT and doesn't even play the game. It shows in his lack of confidence he used to have bombing and the reps he misses from rust. Put the poor guy back to 7*.

Also mythril already busted out a 30 kill shark game in BD, he can stay at 10, I'm sure it will only take him a few games to get back into basing.

[Dreamwin]

Oh it's the liberal white woman with the weepy vagina routine again. Hi

Re: your uneducated point. I like The Paul. Nice guy and might've been a 8* when less rusty. Good pickup at 7*. But is he better than MVP or Beam in shark? No. Is he better than any 8* shark? No. Porkjet, I've played with in maybe 3 TWLB finals, and I know from experience that he plays accurately... 9* if not 10*.

On your general point, I actually agree with you that a lot of sharks are currently playing greedily in twbds. Basically just trying to setup hail mary's rather than play for space/flag or protect spiders. And obviously that would be exploitable in a TWL setting. But that's the thing: THEY'RE TWBDS!!! It's so funny to me to see you put Porkjet in the same category as Turban, because stylistically they are polar opposites, porkjet is a very conservative shark. This is why "people like me" do the ratings and not you, because you're a fucking nobody, basing your opinion on a TWBD you played last night vs. Dingleberry and Dingleberry 2.

Good bye.

Could have been more polite but this is absolutely true.

[Shadowmere]

Yes I did.
Shadow played a lot better than most sharks last season EASILY.
stayon can only spid. Pressure can only terr. And they are never on. And they’re rusty af. 9. Pressure right now isn’t at a 10* level. And like I said I can see why Stayon is a 10, but he’s a 10 when he’s active on a good computer.
not on a 1998 laptop with no keyboard and a poor internet connection.
shadow can play spid and shark at an above 8* level.
so 9. Considering we all know he will show every game like he did last season. Shadow at an 8 is an absolute steal for basing considering what he brings to the table.
you’re telling me Shadow is an 8 in basing and so is poni?
please bro who are you kidding. Shadow is an 8 in basing and so is Riverside? You’re really saying those two players are identical basers? Riverside is 10% of what shadow is in shark.
and 0% on what he brings in his basing IQ as a spider. It’s not even close. Just because shadow doesn’t drop 140-70 games doesn’t mean he’s a bad spid.. he knows how to push correctly, has good aim, and is a nuisance in spider like he was last season. on top of his excellent sharking which we all know he can do. Idk how this is even a debate.
lmao... he should’ve been at 8 to start with LAST season. And bumped up to a 9 this season.
any player that can play two ships or more at an 8+ level in basing shouldn’t be an 8.

That's the first time anyone's ever said I have a brain. Thanks!

[ronaldinho]

Glad to see those ratings aren't fucked up, that's an excellent job again IMO. I agree with everything except : Spacedust as 7* in base, even if he's just a spider he is way too good to be a 7*. Dunno if last season finals were recorded, if it is you can watch what a heavily underated spider is. Plus, many 7* only-spiders of last season were raised to 8*. Also Best 9* in warbird, why?

[Rab]

For transparency, I contributed my base only ratings to Tiny to be averaged with other contributors.
Differences between my ratings and the ones Tiny posted are: (format: Rab->Tiny)
Stayon 9->10 Riverside 7->8 Jack 7->8
So presumably contributors were mostly in agreement.
Shadow (8) and Myth (10) hadn't signed up then, so I didn't rate them.
I personally think Shadow doesn't properly understand basing and would rate him 7* on the basis of being able to aim, but other people think he's really strong, so I'm fine with 8*.
I think Myth is smart enough to come back and shark at peak form quickly, so I think the 10* is correct.
Have to be careful not to drop someone's rating because of the 66* limit which wasn't a factor when players in the main draft were rated, and players in FA should not have that advantage over players in the main draft.

next season
There's something funky about our shark ratings in general though. Looking closer at Mythril, he's clearly better than Mark (9) and Oder (9) but also clearly worse than zid (10) and Mcv (10), but equal to turban (10) and morph (9) and joe (9). I think in the past we've had a tendency to overrate someone simply because they play shark. Maybe that's yet another reason to look at per-ship ratings for next season. Also, we should stop rating people by assigning a number to their name and instead rate them by listing them all in strength order and then deciding where the cutoff point between stars should be.

For the sake of demonstration I can try that for sharks now:

Zid
Commodo
^10*
Mcv
Morph
Myth
turban
Joe
^9*
mark
para
sprackle
willby
oder
vehicle
^8*
gene
sulla
beam
mvp
^7*

[zidane]

people saying myth and stayon aren't 10s are completely delusional, the fact that it's hard to add them into lineups is completely irrelevant. a lot of high star players are already benching games because of the cap. that issue stems from not having enough teams, not ratings being off. the goal isn't to make ratings so that every good player will seamlessly fit onto any roster and play every game.

[Turban]

In that case we need to increase ratings on the following players for them to be more accurate:

Best from 9-star to 10-star rating in Warbird. He is one of the better players in the draft and I have seen him play eliminations and 2v2 duels where he still shows that he is a beast. Played extremely well in the past two TWLD seasons. There is no argument for him to be 9-star when we are rating other players based on their potential. I know you are good friends with him, but right now it looks like clear bias when looking at Stayon and Mythril. You could also make an argument about increasing his rating to 8-star in Base as he's definitely not a 7-star player.

Vys from 8-star to 9-star in Javelin. He has always consistently good at the ship with his lag and smart style of play. Debatable, but think he's better than some of the 8-stars right now and plays at a similar level as Mythril who has been rated 9-star for some odd reason for going 4-6, 8-10, 10-8, and 10-4 in last TWL season out of which the last two rounds were complete stomps. He was our second backup substitute (Skatarius would have taken priority over him, but he was not online) and did decent at filling our last spot in a pinch.

This rating change is assuming that we are using Mythril as the benchmark for 9-star javelins which would be weird as then we would have to bump also the following players: Skatarius, Iron Survivor, Maketso, and Okyo. These players are all better than him at the ship or at the very least play at an equal level.

Shadowmere from 8-star to 9-star in Base. Excellent well-rounded player who plays fucking smart. I feel this should be self-explanatory. He may not be active right now, but when he returns to activity he will likely end up being too much value at 8-star rating. Can play multiple basing ships and impactful style of play.

Jack from 8-star to 9-star rating in Warbird. Getting slowly back in form and will likely be too powerful at 8-star rating. He likely needs to be increased to 8-star rating in Javelin as well assuming he continues to practice and improve at the rate he has in recent days.

Porkjet from 9-star to 10-star rating in Base. Very experienced shark, great at protecting the team, and when active could easily be one of the top four strongest sharks (together with Mcvicar, Zidane, and Commodo) in the draft tournament. I feel he fits that bracket very well in terms of what he brings to the team at his prime.

Spacedust from 7-star to 8-star rating in Base. All-around decent player who can fill for both Terrier and Spider. A coin flip situation, but think he's definitely good enough to warrant a rating bump.

Docomo from 6-star to 7-star rating in Warbird. I have seen him play and he's not a 6-star warbird. He can drop some decent numbers and would be the best 6-star in the draft.

Those are my suggested changes to have players rated according to their potential and based on their recent form.

[zidane]

Lol, definitely trolling on that mythril take as he was easily the biggest reason rage even won twlj. Agreed on space, best 8 in base, and docomo ratings though. Best didn't play like a 10* at all in last twld, whereas myth obviously did

[Poseidon]

people saying myth and stayon aren't 10s are completely delusional, the fact that it's hard to add them into lineups is completely irrelevant. a lot of high star players are already benching games because of the cap. that issue stems from not having enough teams, not ratings being off. the goal isn't to make ratings so that every good player will seamlessly fit onto any roster and play every game.

says the guy who has 5-6 understarred spids on his team

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most of u r lobsters who prob push F2 ten times in the middle of a game, but i value dreamwins opinion and will bite my tongue abt porkjet and suspend judgement. still think paul is an 8* but whatev. most ppl seem to value how many kills a shark can get as opposed to how much space they can create - nothing surprising here, folks. imagine how much better every1 wud be at this game if there was no stat tracking or noone paid attention 2 them.

shadowmere an obv 9
spacedust 8
poni 8
tough call on myth being 9 or 10


jack is an 8 wb

p.s
make infinite-h a 5*. im not joking.

[Singer]

Basing your ratings on a previous TWL that I don't even remember when last happened.. Feels like it's been close to 2 years already? Maybe there's some people out there that actually cares to practice for DT games but most people would only care to try to be in peak form for TWL games. Highly doubt someone like Myth who's coming in cold is motivated to perform like a 10* wb for DT games. A rating like that would be fine if we were just coming off a TWL and people like him were still hot from past play.

Anyway, is there even any plans on a TWL coming? I'd like to see one last season of it before I turn fuckin 35 and call it quits lol

edit: nvm i have poop brain and apparently last twl was just a year ago lol

[zidane]

Myth literally just won twel like 4 weeks ago.. hes not rusty. TWL is scheduled to start in May after this dt season ends

[Rough]

I still think it’s funny dreamwin was demoted to 9 because he had a bad season in TWDTJ. Of course he’s going to have a bad season since he kept playing with another 10 in Racka and two 6 star javs. It’s hard to play two 10 stars with no support. Mythril isn’t even a 9 in jav, just because he played 4 rounds in LJ finals and was serviceable(surprisingly) doesn’t warrant that lol.

also shadowmere is a 9 in base, 100%

my vote for next TWDTJ ratings: Aprix 9 > 7

[Pressure]

my 1.3cents worth for basing:

sky 7 agree
creature wont show.
zeebu 7 agree
spacedust 7 agree
xavier who?
porkjet 9 agree
stayon 9 agree
docomo who?
f_you 6 agree he was a wb from like ossify
infinite 6 who? just seen him go like 40-80 in spider in a bd
pressure 9 if he DTs like he BD's thins doesn't even deserve a 9
vys 7 amazing spider dueler if you catch him in open space somewhere, but I feel like in a base hes overrated
best don't remember seeing him anywhere in base
riverside guy shouldnt be allowed to play -.-
undercut 9 agree
the_paul 7 agree
justhitme, who?
fire phoenix 7 agree, unless unrusts in basebird
poni 7 hes way too inactive to be an 8
jack, never got to see him play.

Hey man, I can totally understand being a bad overall baser with zero achievements after 15 years of playing and succumbing to this weird inferiority complex you've clearly developed, but no matter how much you try to beef yourself up on forums by talking shit, you'll always be that newbie from TeKs who sucks at every single basing ship, you're not fooling anyone.