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**Creature** · 11-08-2020, 08:03 PM

I fix rankings:

animeboy12 = 9* wb, 8.5* jaf
ap = 7.5* wb, 7.5* jaf, 9.5* base
dutch baser = 8.5* base
hellkite = 9.5* base
ft = 8.5* base
hackysack = 8* wb
jr5 = 8.5* base
jurassic = 8.5 wb, 8* jaf
kassius = 8* wb
kim = 9* jaf
lockdown = 8* jaf
maketso = 8.5* wb, 9.5* jaf, 9* base
mikkiz = 8.5* jaf
mouserat = 7.5* jaf
oder = 9* base
tpz = 9* base
skatarius = 8.5* jaf
uprise = 9* jaf

**beam** · 11-08-2020, 08:08 PM

agree with all of creature's changes except 8 seems way too high for kassius and hacky seems fine at 8.5. would also definitely increase both ro and turban to 9.5 in wb as they just won and turban carried his squad in ld playoffs and dtd playoffs and ro has been to like 6 dtd finals in a row and won like 3 of them. would also make whispus 8* in wb

**Creature** · 11-08-2020, 08:13 PM

Originally posted by beam View Post

agree with all of creature's changes except 8 seems way too high for kassius and hacky seems fine at 8.5. would also definitely increase both ro and turban to 9.5 in wb as they just won and turban carried his squad in ld playoffs and dtd playoffs and ro has been to like 6 dtd finals in a row and won like 3 of them. would also make whispus 8* in wb

i cud b suppirtif of ro and turban at 9.5* wb seeing as there are only 2 9.5 wbs: lockdown and myself. i cud even argue sprackle cud b 9.5* wb too

also ofc i belief m more like a 5/5/5 playir all ships

**Vehicle** · 11-08-2020, 09:05 PM

Hi, I would like to say I would like to have the opportunity to terr and possibly javelin for a squadron this season. I think I could be a good value 7* jav if I can get the opportunity to practice in some jds. I am also committed to being a stable and clutch terrier this season.

I am out of town through Wednesday but am available for pre-draft interviews and jd and bd practice.

**Turban** · 11-09-2020, 11:19 AM

here's my suggestions for change in javelin based on the current signup list.

upgrades

Tiny (9 > 9.5) - his performance was fine last season and he has an incredible amount of experience. no reason for this downgrade, feels extremely disrespectful.
Mikkiz (8 > 8.5) - has been easily the strongest 8-star for several seasons, and with the introduction of .5 ratings it's about time he got correctly rated. he's similar to zizzo, jamal, and uprise.

questionable upgrades

autopilot (6.5 > 7) - did not have a good season as 6.5 on our team, but in my opinion he would be fine as a 7-star once he gets more confident in the ship.
beast (7 to 7.5) - had a solid season, might warrant to be bumped up by half a rating with his 1:1 average. one of the strongest 7-stars right now as much as it pains me to say this.
maketso (9 > 9.5) - very strong player. he's reliable, knows how to stay alive, and teams well. averaged 10.7 - 7.33 on the strongest team and never got eliminated when his team won.

downgrades

rucci (6.5 to 6) - average scoreline of 1-10 past two seasons. he is easily the weakest 6.5 on that list.
beam (7.5 to 7) - he is on the same level as dwopple, banks, props, zeebu, banzi, and so on. no reason to upgrade him as 7-stars are expected to get at most around 7 to 8 kills on average.
pressure (7 to 6.5) - he was bumped to 7 for being a captain, but his javelin is very weak. even when trying hard he can barely manage 5 kills.
sprackle (8 to 7.5) - why was he upgraded? sprackle almost never plays the ship, and when he does he looks lost.
mouserat (8 to 7.5) - excuse me what the fuck?
bacon (8 to 7.5) - this upgrade feels unjustified. limited experience while averaging 8 - 9 in the regular season. he has maybe one good game in every 10 matches. he's comparable to jurassic, lockdown, lionheart, and ogron.
raples (8 to 7.5) - could we let this legend play this league for once. he can't be added with this rating to any competitive lineup. keeps averaging 0.6:1 ratio as well.

questionable downgrades

bugyswartz (7.5 to 7) - skill wise he is likely a 7.5 player, but don't think he had strong enough of a season to warrant this upgrade. he would be one of the strongest 7-stars, but right now he's probably the weakest 7.5 star along with player killer.
player killer (7.5 to 7) - same as above, but with even less activity. he has some untapped potential, but think he is unplayable at this rating.
yeh (9 to 8.5) - uhh, yeah .. i don't know about this upgrade. he had some big games, but was also extremely inconsistent and flopped many times. weak playoffs.
renzi (7.5 to 7) - he's not good enough in this ship to be a 7.5 player. he would be one of the better 7-stars.

**Efhat** · 11-09-2020, 11:39 AM

Originally posted by Turban View Post

here's my suggestions for change in javelin based on the current signup list.

upgrades

Tiny (9 > 9.5) - his performance was fine last season and he has an incredible amount of experience. no reason for this downgrade, feels extremely disrespectful.
Mikkiz (8 > 8.5) - has been easily the strongest 8-star for several seasons, and with the introduction of .5 ratings it's about time he got correctly rated. he's similar to zizzo, jamal, and uprise.

questionable upgrades

autopilot (6.5 > 7) - did not have a good season as 6.5 on our team, but in my opinion he would be fine as a 7-star once he gets more confident in the ship.
beast (7 to 7.5) - had a solid season, might warrant to be bumped up by half a rating with his 1:1 average. one of the strongest 7-stars right now as much as it pains me to say this.
maketso (9 > 9.5) - very strong player. he's reliable, knows how to stay alive, and teams well. averaged 10.7 - 7.33 on the strongest team and never got eliminated when his team won.

downgrades

rucci (6.5 to 6) - average scoreline of 1-10 past two seasons. he is easily the weakest 6.5 on that list.
beam (7.5 to 7) - he is on the same level as dwopple, banks, props, zeebu, banzi, and so on. no reason to upgrade him as 7-stars are expected to get at most around 7 to 8 kills on average.
pressure (7 to 6.5) - he was bumped to 7 for being a captain, but his javelin is very weak. even when trying hard he can barely manage 5 kills.
sprackle (8 to 7.5) - why was he upgraded? sprackle almost never plays the ship, and when he does he looks lost.
mouserat (8 to 7.5) - excuse me what the fuck?
bacon (8 to 7.5) - this upgrade feels unjustified. limited experience while averaging 8 - 9 in the regular season. he has maybe one good game in every 10 matches. he's comparable to jurassic, lockdown, lionheart, and ogron.
raples (8 to 7.5) - could we let this legend play this league for once. he can't be added with this rating to any competitive lineup. keeps averaging 0.6:1 ratio as well.

questionable downgrades

bugyswartz (7.5 to 7) - skill wise he is likely a 7.5 player, but don't think he had strong enough of a season to warrant this upgrade. he would be one of the strongest 7-stars, but right now he's probably the weakest 7.5 star along with player killer.
player killer (7.5 to 7) - same as above, but with even less activity. he has some untapped potential, but think he is unplayable at this rating.
yeh (9 to 8.5) - uhh, yeah .. i don't know about this upgrade. he had some big games, but was also extremely inconsistent and flopped many times. weak playoffs.
renzi (7.5 to 7) - he's not good enough in this ship to be a 7.5 player. he would be one of the better 7-stars.

I agree with turban.

Now sign up daddy

**Rab** · 11-09-2020, 11:41 AM

lol what, man complaining about ratings isn't even signed up.. come on...
sign up, show up for ratings events in future, not gonna have a separate ratings meeting just for turban.

**beam** · 11-09-2020, 11:48 AM

be grateful he is willing to contribute when our ratings committee completely disregarded the chat for 3 hours and was comprised of vys (troll) racka (not really a jav even though hes had recent success) and commodo (didnt have a mic and therefore got ignored just like the rest of the chat)

**Rab** · 11-09-2020, 11:56 AM

they didn't disregard chat, they just stopped listening to your whining after about 100 messages.

**Turban** · 11-09-2020, 11:57 AM

i would've been willing to help live with the ratings, but it's hard when you are out of town with no access to a computer. i bet the ratings were done past midnight my time as usual.

.. as for signing up, not sure. i guess it wouldn't be too bad to be on team dreamwin (most likely), but December is going to be such a bitch for me unless our government decides to cancel all outdoor Christmas events in cities like Helsinki and Tampere which probably is not going to happen at such a short notice.

**renzi** · 11-09-2020, 12:07 PM

Agreed with Turb about my jav rating. Also, I really don’t think I’m up on the same level as other 8*wbs like banzi, Props, etc. I mean, shit, Ravage regularly owns me in dd’s and he’s a 7.5 lol

**MHz** · 11-09-2020, 01:15 PM

I'll just go through Turb's ratings and give my thoughts.

Originally posted by Turban View Post

here's my suggestions for change in javelin based on the current signup list.

upgrades

Tiny (9 > 9.5) - his performance was fine last season and he has an incredible amount of experience. no reason for this downgrade, feels extremely disrespectful.
Comment: This is marginal for me, but I think Tiny played more on, say, Trasher/Morph/Maketso's 9* level last season. I quite like playing against Tiny so I might just be blindsided on this though. He definitely has a high ceiling of play when he wants to try, so maybe 9.5 is more appropriate.
Mikkiz (8 > 8.5) - has been easily the strongest 8-star for several seasons, and with the introduction of .5 ratings it's about time he got correctly rated. he's similar to zizzo, jamal, and uprise.
Comment: Completely agree, was trying to argue this on Sunday. He put up consistently good stats (15+ in playoffs) and plays on the front foot.

questionable upgrades

autopilot (6.5 > 7) - did not have a good season as 6.5 on our team, but in my opinion he would be fine as a 7-star once he gets more confident in the ship.
Comment: It's hard playing on a team with three strong javs all scoring highly when you're going to be targetted. I've played jds with this guy and he flies really well - one of the best in EG too. 7 is accurate.
beast (7 to 7.5) - had a solid season, might warrant to be bumped up by half a rating with his 1:1 average. one of the strongest 7-stars right now as much as it pains me to say this.
Comment: Agree, was trying to argue this. Guy loves jav and plays pretty smart.
maketso (9 > 9.5) - very strong player. he's reliable, knows how to stay alive, and teams well. averaged 10.7 - 7.33 on the strongest team and never got eliminated when his team won.
Comment: Marginal but disagree. For me this comes down to playing style, and I feel like Maketso can sometimes be too risk-avoiding. He had a good season though.
downgrades

rucci (6.5 to 6) - average scoreline of 1-10 past two seasons. he is easily the weakest 6.5 on that list.
Comment: I remember this guy being the 6* on a really strong team a couple of seasons ago and being awkward af.
beam (7.5 to 7) - he is on the same level as dwopple, banks, props, zeebu, banzi, and so on. no reason to upgrade him as 7-stars are expected to get at most around 7 to 8 kills on average.
Comment: Disagree. Beam average 8-9 last season and I think he carries more of a threat than the average 7* due to his wb smarts.
pressure (7 to 6.5) - he was bumped to 7 for being a captain, but his javelin is very weak. even when trying hard he can barely manage 5 kills.
Comment: No strong opinion.
sprackle (8 to 7.5) - why was he upgraded? sprackle almost never plays the ship, and when he does he looks lost.
Comment: No strong opinion.
mouserat (8 to 7.5) - excuse me what the fuck?
Comment: Who is that guy?
bacon (8 to 7.5) - this upgrade feels unjustified. limited experience while averaging 8 - 9 in the regular season. he has maybe one good game in every 10 matches. he's comparable to jurassic, lockdown, lionheart, and ogron.
Comment: Marginal but agree. I think people might be over-estimating Bacon's jav a little bit because of his great wb/spider.
raples (8 to 7.5) - could we let this legend play this league for once. he can't be added with this rating to any competitive lineup. keeps averaging 0.6:1 ratio as well.
Comment: Agree.

questionable downgrades

bugyswartz (7.5 to 7) - skill wise he is likely a 7.5 player, but don't think he had strong enough of a season to warrant this upgrade. he would be one of the strongest 7-stars, but right now he's probably the weakest 7.5 star along with player killer.
Comment: Disagree. Bugy was really strong for us for 80% of the season. He can put up 12 kills quite comfortably, and he isn't afraid of facing up good javelins and pressing the forward arrow key.
player killer (7.5 to 7) - same as above, but with even less activity. he has some untapped potential, but think he is unplayable at this rating.
Comment: Marginal. I like this guy, and he's really strong in 2v2 and duel, but probably 7* is accurate.
yeh (9 to 8.5) - uhh, yeah .. i don't know about this upgrade. he had some big games, but was also extremely inconsistent and flopped many times. weak playoffs.
Comment: Agree, I was arguing for 8.5. I believe he was bumped to a 9 a few seasons ago and couldn't be played.
renzi (7.5 to 7) - he's not good enough in this ship to be a 7.5 player. he would be one of the better 7-stars.
Comment: No strong opinion but he did have a few astounding (maybe freak) rounds one season.

**renzi** · 11-09-2020, 06:07 PM

You may be thinking of the season in like 2013 I think when I ran HEIST and played in twlj with apricot, lz, b.rabbit, crazy canockout, kess, skatarius and idr who else

**Tiny** · 11-09-2020, 06:55 PM

Turban
Commodo
Tiny

Tiny (9 > 9.5) - his performance was fine last season and he has an incredible amount of experience. no reason for this downgrade, feels extremely disrespectful.
Comment: This is marginal for me, but I think Tiny played more on, say, Trasher/Morph/Maketso's 9* level last season. I quite like playing against Tiny so I might just be blindsided on this though. He definitely has a high ceiling of play when he wants to try, so maybe 9.5 is more appropriate.
I think it's moreso based on my activity or lack there of. My stats do fall in line with the 9s. I made a post last season saying i was a 9 for inactivity.
Mikkiz (8 > 8.5) - has been easily the strongest 8-star for several seasons, and with the introduction of .5 ratings it's about time he got correctly rated. he's similar to zizzo, jamal, and uprise.
Comment: Completely agree, was trying to argue this on Sunday. He put up consistently good stats (15+ in playoffs) and plays on the front foot.
Agreed

questionable upgrades

autopilot (6.5 > 7) - did not have a good season as 6.5 on our team, but in my opinion he would be fine as a 7-star once he gets more confident in the ship.
Comment: It's hard playing on a team with three strong javs all scoring highly when you're going to be targetted. I've played jds with this guy and he flies really well - one of the best in EG too. 7 is accurate.
NA
beast (7 to 7.5) - had a solid season, might warrant to be bumped up by half a rating with his 1:1 average. one of the strongest 7-stars right now as much as it pains me to say this.
Comment: Agree, was trying to argue this. Guy loves jav and plays pretty smart.
I will say he is as good as the 7.5s
maketso (9 > 9.5) - very strong player. he's reliable, knows how to stay alive, and teams well. averaged 10.7 - 7.33 on the strongest team and never got eliminated when his team won.
Comment: Marginal but disagree. For me this comes down to playing style, and I feel like Maketso can sometimes be too risk-avoiding. He had a good season though.
downgrades
Agree with commodo. He had a team that he played well with his style. I dont think he is active enough to generate 9.5 on any team he plays, but maybe on a team that fits his style?
rucci (6.5 to 6) - average scoreline of 1-10 past two seasons. he is easily the weakest 6.5 on that list.
Comment: I remember this guy being the 6* on a really strong team a couple of seasons ago and being awkward af.
NA
beam (7.5 to 7) - he is on the same level as dwopple, banks, props, zeebu, banzi, and so on. no reason to upgrade him as 7-stars are expected to get at most around 7 to 8 kills on average.
Comment: Disagree. Beam average 8-9 last season and I think he carries more of a threat than the average 7* due to his wb smarts.
I see many wbs/basers similar to beam in 7.5, toss up
pressure (7 to 6.5) - he was bumped to 7 for being a captain, but his javelin is very weak. even when trying hard he can barely manage 5 kills.
Comment: No strong opinion.
in betweener, we rounding up or down this year?
sprackle (8 to 7.5) - why was he upgraded? sprackle almost never plays the ship, and when he does he looks lost.
Comment: No strong opinion.
NA
mouserat (8 to 7.5) - excuse me what the fuck?
Comment: Who is that guy?
I know who it is and hes a 7.5
bacon (8 to 7.5) - this upgrade feels unjustified. limited experience while averaging 8 - 9 in the regular season. he has maybe one good game in every 10 matches. he's comparable to jurassic, lockdown, lionheart, and ogron.
Comment: Marginal but agree. I think people might be over-estimating Bacon's jav a little bit because of his great wb/spider.
NA, but it seems he an all around player and adept, so with other ratings up....
raples (8 to 7.5) - could we let this legend play this league for once. he can't be added with this rating to any competitive lineup. keeps averaging 0.6:1 ratio as well.
Comment: Agree.
4 season of Raples, guy practices never and is one of those people you look at and say, ok same rating each year. He was once very good, but i would agree 7.5.

questionable downgrades

bugyswartz (7.5 to 7) - skill wise he is likely a 7.5 player, but don't think he had strong enough of a season to warrant this upgrade. he would be one of the strongest 7-stars, but right now he's probably the weakest 7.5 star along with player killer.
Comment: Disagree. Bugy was really strong for us for 80% of the season. He can put up 12 kills quite comfortably, and he isn't afraid of facing up good javelins and pressing the forward arrow key.
Agree with Commodo. as good as 7.5s
player killer (7.5 to 7) - same as above, but with even less activity. he has some untapped potential, but think he is unplayable at this rating.
Comment: Marginal. I like this guy, and he's really strong in 2v2 and duel, but probably 7* is accurate.
NA
yeh (9 to 8.5) - uhh, yeah .. i don't know about this upgrade. he had some big games, but was also extremely inconsistent and flopped many times. weak playoffs.
Comment: Agree, I was arguing for 8.5. I believe he was bumped to a 9 a few seasons ago and couldn't be played.
He came in late and put up some big numbers which caught some peoples eyes. For me it depends on if hes active right now, which i don't know cuz im not. 8.5 if inactive 9 if active.
renzi (7.5 to 7) - he's not good enough in this ship to be a 7.5 player. he would be one of the better 7-stars.
Comment: No strong opinion but he did have a few astounding (maybe freak) rounds one season.
7.5

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