Look to the Past or Future (election, terrorism etc)

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

Think Kerry is analogy to Chirac's rival, he will be supported by selfish people and we'll pay later for it.

Because no one will have to deal with a record budget deficit, a shitty environment, even shittier schools, increasingly sour international opinion, or an Orwellian society later, right?

No one's saying Kerry is the second coming, but there's a point that you have to take the lesser of two evils. And I pick the guy who can pronounce "nuclear."

[bloodzombie]

You've given me a few things to look into like kerry's stance on north korea, but some of your reasons seem weak to me.. like child prostitutes, that's the kind of thing politicians jump on because everyone can agree on it, so it makes them look good. any politician would jump on that, it's the issues that people disagree on that you should be looking at.

like stem cell research. Bush has shut it down even though it's possible that we could cure all sorts of crazy things with it. What if your son had a bad heart and stem cells could fix it? would you still vote for bush?

All of his social positions are based no the bible and that freaks me out a little. I'm not religious, why would I want a president who wants to force me to be? Maybe that sounds harsh, since he's not making me go to church, but he's trying to tell me I can't research stem cells, I can't have an abortion, I can't marry a gay dude, my girlfriend can't have an abortion... all these things because the bible says so.

How did he get to be president anyway? if his name wasn't George Bush he never would've won (?) the last election.

[Verthanthi]

Damn you, Herbert Hoover.

[bloodzombie]

And I pick the guy who can pronounce "nuclear."

heh... nice

[GoldenPlums]

It's not so much that FoN, I suspect. as people just giving up really. Enforcer especially doesn't give two shits how much you try to reason with him or when you show him fact for fact why he's wrong. He'll just say you're twisting his words and try to find a way to squirm out of it, for the sake of arguing.

You are spot on Sarien. Top marks for your insight into what makes people tick. I've stopped reading any thread in which 2 out of 3 posts are made by THE ENFORCER. Whether he is right or wrong, you seriously wouldn't want to be stuck talking to this guy at a party. He wont get this.

[lunch3]

Just to let people know, I'm agnostic but used to be Christian as a child. Still think Bush is the better choice. But if anyone can tell me what Kerry's stance on North Korea and on Israel I would greatly appreciate it. I'm sure my choice will change back and forth once election comes around too, so much time for anything to happen.

[Sarien]

Lunch if you're old enough to vote, then you're old enough to go find out the stances for yourself, instead of just being spoon fed them. No insult intended but honestly that's the only way you'll ever get to the truth of anything. But in the spirit of friendship these are quoted from http://www.johnkerry.com

John Kerry believes that history and our own best interests demand that the United States maintain a steady policy of friendship and support for Israel. As the only true democracy in the Middle East, Israel is our most important ally, and a critical partner in the quest for peace and security in this troubled region. America’s longstanding commitment to Israel’s independence and survival must never waver.

Remember you talking about how Bush did the thingy with AIDS in Africa?
John Kerry Wrote parts of that act, that made that possible.

Senator Kerry has been at the forefront of the battle against HIV/AIDS, authoring major elements of the Global AIDS and Tuberculosis Relief Act of 2000, legislation that was signed into law by President Clinton in August of 2000. He subsequently authored the U.S. Leadership Against HIV/AIDS, Tuberculosis, and Malaria Act of 2002, sweeping legislation that would have significantly increased funding for treatment of these diseases while requiring the U.S. to adopt a comprehensive five year plan to win the global war against AIDS.

Kerry's Stance on Non-Proliferation?
He wanted to stop the North Korea thing -before- it happened.

Senator Kerry has been an outspoken proponent of arms control and non-proliferation measures in the Senate. He fought against withdrawal from the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty, which he viewed as a step backwards in our efforts to promote an international non-proliferation regime. “U.S. rejection of the Treaty would undermine the credibility of U.S. leadership on non-proliferation,” he said in a floor statement, “which will jeopardize U.S. work to prevent North Korea from developing nuclear weapons…and to block the sale of sensitive technologies that could contribute to proliferation.”

Conc is right.. Kerry isn't the second coming. But anything Bush can do, it looks like Kerry can do better. And that's why he's had my vote since the beginning. He's been my candidate of choice since he entered. I've quoted more than enough I think, and if you really want to find out what he's about, you really need to go and read up, and ... find out. It's part of the responsibility of voting.

[THE ENFORCER]

It's not so much that FoN, I suspect. as people just giving up really. Enforcer especially doesn't give two shits how much you try to reason with him or when you show him fact for fact why he's wrong. He'll just say you're twisting his words and try to find a way to squirm out of it, for the sake of arguing. Again, it's something that I find a lot (NOT ALL) of Aussies to have in common.
If you don't believe me check Enforcer's record:
From Doublesquadding:
http://forums.trenchwars.org/showthread.php?t=9545
to Gay Marriage:
http://forums.trenchwars.org/showthread.php?t=10043
To Arguing with himself:
http://forums.trenchwars.org/showthread.php?t=10151
To Howard Stern:
http://forums.trenchwars.org/showthread.php?t=10201
To his new sub-branch, this thread.

He's not an American. He doesn't get a vote, and he might think he knows anything at all about our system of government and what it is Americans want or expect from our President, but he doesn't. All he knows is what he's seen or heard from the media he gets there or worse; other people in his country that have relied on that same media. He averages something like 8.92 posts a day, and has a tendency to do things like post 12 times in a row.

Lunch,

to say that enforcer writes long posts because he understands the topics is just nonsense, he's living in some fantasy world where by invading iraq the people will automatically love us and accept any government that we force upon them. Polls among iraqi people have shown that we (the US) have about a 50% acceptance rating there, but some people didn't count because they wouldn't answer the questions, or they pulled weapons on the people trying to ask them.

You are spot on Sarien. Top marks for your insight into what makes people tick. I've stopped reading any thread in which 2 out of 3 posts are made by THE ENFORCER. Whether he is right or wrong, you seriously wouldn't want to be stuck talking to this guy at a party. He wont get this.

My fan club is growing ever so quickly

P.S i really dont care what you people think you three guys have been personally attacking me from the start, i dont care if people read those links Sarien just a note the doublesquadding thread was created for staff to hear, to get my squad accepted so i wanted to keep the thread going until it was accepted and it was, talking to myself was when i decided to play a joke in the trash talk category it was absurd for you to bring it up, i think anyone who read the gay marrige and howard stern thread will find my views more than reasonable and espeically understandable.
Note:i have always placed reasoning behind my point of views very little can be said with you guys. I find it funny Sarien how you state that Austs get the majority of infomation from the media well where do americans get theirs? theres nothing wrong with stating infomation from the media, i mean people have posted alot of links to CNN, Washington Post etc.. as long as you can filter out the facts or get collabrating(?) stories. Where do you get your infomation Sarien? word of mouth?

[THE ENFORCER]

Bloodzombie this is the poll you were talking about, yes 50% support US troops but 23% had no opinon and 27% was agaisnt thats therefore alot of support for the US, they also have many other interesting statistics like Iraqis dont care that US went in for oil as such.

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin...s%3Bread=34383

By the way this is from fox news which i feel is the best (balanced) news station on earth and i recommend all to watch it.

Whether he is right or wrong, you seriously wouldn't want to be stuck talking to this guy at a party. He wont get this.

You talk about politics at parties?


I actually dont care that much both of the candidates look good, but i just think Bush will take a harsher stance on terrorism, i mean the economy is going to turn around anyway, gay marriage is a topic for the courts to decide, giving money to charities all presidents do that, Both US candidates believe in Israel, the only thing i have agaisnt Bush is that maybe alot of money that is spent on the war could of gone to the education system or something? the only thing i have agianst Kerry is that he seems to be the guy who wants to make everyone happy and by doing that you tend to alienate everybody so if he gets elected i really dont know what he is going to do?

[Sarien]

By the way this is from fox news which i feel is the best (balanced) news station on earth and i recommend all to watch it.

That alone, explains simply everything.

[THE ENFORCER]

That alone, explains simply everything.

Oh how insulting of you Sarien please keep up that wit.

This is what i am talking about when you directly insult me and provide no reasoning for your arguments! I think you have just proven my point to everyone on this forum :eek:

I actually re-read the Howard Stern thread to see if anything you said had any validity to it and iin that thread i was very calm, polite and always placed reasoning the only time was in the last post of the thread where you just pissed me off so much with your insults i felt i had to respond. I would like to hear other people views about me on the Howard stern thread and see if they agree with you (and then explain it to me), because i dont see where you are comming from?

[Troll King]

He's not insulting you, he's insulting Fox news. It's considered to be heavily biased towards the right and hardly balanced.

Of course, one could argue that all news stations are biased in some way. That's why you shouldn't always rely on just one source. Fox news however is regarded to be particularly biased.

[Mattey]

Watching Fox News makes you stupider (or at least gives you more misconceptions).

http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Ir..._03_Report.pdf

[Amok]

THE ENFORCER thinks Fox news is balanced because they have ads here in Australia which flash the words "FOX NEWS" - "FAIR" and "BALANCED" across the tv screen. If you believe everything you hear or see from the media, then you really need to start thinking for yourself.

[THE ENFORCER]

THE ENFORCER thinks Fox news is balanced because they have ads here in Australia which flash the words "FOX NEWS" - "FAIR" and "BALANCED" across the tv screen. If you believe everything you hear or see from the media, then you really need to start thinking for yourself.

I consider them balanced because they give both sides of the argument, maybe in USA you guys have the luxury of having many news programs however here in Aust all the local news are extremely biased espeically when it comes down to the israeli-palastien conflict and fox news is the only station ive seen that provdies both sides of the argument. Maybe USA has a better news program but Aust doesnt.

Well ive seen BBC,CNN, Sky news and Fox news report on the same issues and Fox news was the only station that provided both sides of the argument.

Btw troll king i dont think fox news is biased but i do tend to think alongside the right to i could be biased about fox news being biased but i still i they always provide both sides of the argument though... Also ofcourse news is biased through the use of selection of material and language.(Sarien was insulting me and Fox News). Please you tell me a fairer news program?