Freaking Right Wing Media.

[Mattey]

I don't know why people think this is censorship. A radio DJ said the same thing- that it's 1st amendment blah blah blah. The first amendment prevents the government from silencing us or punishing us for speaking out against our own government.

Disney deciding Michael Moore's film is bad for their business is just capitalism. They want to keep up their "image" and protect their interests in their family-oriented businesses. I don't think we have any rights to use our employer's money to say anything other than what bossman wants us to say.

That said, maybe this is just business as usual:

Haha, yeah, Michael Moore is over the line but Scary Movie 2 is fine. This argument is bullshit.

[bloodzombie]

i agree with you 100% about this not being a 1st amendment violation, it is not a free speech issue. but it's still corporate censorship, and the reason given is due to fears of political retaliation. if disney's concerns are sincere, i still find that disturbing.

Are you kidding? it's WAY more disturbing if it's censorship because of fear of political retaliation. if they didn't want to release it because they just didn't like it for some reason, that's absolutely fine.

[Subjugation]

Are you kidding? it's WAY more disturbing if it's censorship because of fear of political retaliation. if they didn't want to release it because they just didn't like it for some reason, that's absolutely fine.

no, i agree with you. i was saying it's still disturbing that it's corporate censorship out of fear, as opposed to a 1st amendment infraction.

[THE ENFORCER]

You think when people see a miramax movie they link it to disney and then say "they released a movie that insulted Bush, so I'm not gonna rent Bambi 2"?

Yes its like what Geebot says they want to keep thier image. Also people may not want to invest in Disney anymore and go to a competitor and in a business like movies which require alot of money investment is a huge issue.-but then again if the investor is assured he will make a profit then he will probably invest anyway since all investors want to make a profit.

Theres one thing i dont understand you say (and the artice implys) that Disney dont want to issue the movie because they afraid that the govt will increase corporate tax on the state of florida as retalition however doesnt the govt have to explain why they increase the tax to the public and if they say "we just dont like Disney" then there wouldnt there just be a public outcry? altough i guess its equally possible that the govt can put a spin on it and just say it was needed or something (but i still reckon the public/media would notice this and make it known anyway) but furthermore increasing corporate tax is likely to increase unemployment therefore lose voters so even if the govt hate Disney why would they risk increasing unemployment?

[wadi]

Theres one thing i dont understand you say (and the artice implys) that Disney dont want to issue the movie because they afraid that the govt will increase corporate tax on the state of florida as retalition however doesnt the govt have to explain why they increase the tax to the public and if they say "we just dont like Disney" then there wouldnt there just be a public outcry? altough i guess its equally possible that the govt can put a spin on it and just say it was needed or something (but i still reckon the public/media would notice this and make it known anyway) but furthermore increasing corporate tax is likely to increase unemployment therefore lose voters so even if the govt hate Disney why would they risk increasing unemployment?

You're right, you don't understand how corporate tax breaks work.

[THE ENFORCER]

You're right, you don't understand how corporate tax breaks work.

Im doing a commerce degree, but if think you know more than me then please explain.

[Facetious]

Yeah, I'm not a big Michael Moore fan at all. I agreed with the stuff he said in Bowling For Columbine, but the way he presented the material was clearly so liberals like me could thump our chests, not to present a convincing argument to people that disagree. In fact, it did the opposite, his pompous style of presenting the information made it look like liberals were stuck-up, rude, bitter jackasses. If Disney doesn't want to distribute the movie because Michael Moore is a jackass, right on. If they don't want to displease the Bush administration, it's still fucked up, though.

edit: oh, the article finally loaded on my computer... didnt realize the subject matter was a direct attack on george bush, looks a little more like theyre not releasing it because they dont want to upset the bush family

[Sarien]

It is my sincere hope and wish that it isn't released until after the election. If Michael Moore had an ounce of fucking self respect, or sense, this is exactly what he'd do, too. After the furor of him at the Oscars? His name is a taint, and if he throws this shit into election year politics, even if every word in the film is true (unlike Bowling for Columbine), then it'll still have a stigma attached to it because of him, that will simply give Bush something to bitch about, and voters a reason to sympathize. I don't care if it's censorship or whatever, even though I hate censorship with a passion, I just don't want the tubby bastard, fucking up something I see as more important... the removal of Bush from office.

[geekbot]

My argument is simply that if a company (Disney/Miramax) decides to produce some films (Scary Movie/Kill Bill) and not others (Fahrenheit 9/11) it's their business. If my employer says no more porn and stop writing those dumb emails to politicians on the company dollar, I stop or get axed. That's not censorship, it's the company's money I'm working for.

If you don't think their decisions are smart or that they're hypocritical, simple, don't buy tickets to their movies. If you think they're "freaking right wing media", well that's their right, and you don't have to watch their crap.

If you guys think there's a government conspiracy to silence this movie, that's a different issue. Frankly, I think it can be more easily explained by the power of money. In other words, Joe "the patriot" America is not going to think this movie is too funny and might dislike Miramax/Disney b/c of it.

From the article it says, that Moore connects the Bush family with Osama bin Laden. I don't know what that's all about- but if you're going to exercise your free speech to make some bold claims like that, I'm pretty sure you have to have some evidence or something to back it up. Maybe Disney just think Moore's gone too far and they don't want to get sued for libel/defamation.

[Subjugation]

From the article it says, that Moore connects the Bush family with Osama bin Laden. I don't know what that's all about- but if you're going to exercise your free speech to make some bold claims like that, I'm pretty sure you have to have some evidence or something to back it up. Maybe Disney just think Moore's gone too far and they don't want to get sued for libel/defamation.

well, it's not a secret that the bush family has ties with the bin laden family, so i can't imagine it has to do with a fear of libel or defamation. one of osama's brothers Salem bin Laden partnered with bush in an oil company called Arbusto oil. this was back in the late 70's.

http://www.williambowles.info/bush/arbusto.htm

also, members of the bin laden family were cleared to fly 2 days after 9/11. yes, that's 2 days. you know, during the time the entire country was restricted from flying?

http://new.globalfreepress.com/artic...3/09/03/194214

i'm would guess that moore probably explores those and other ties further, and likely point out a direct link to osama himself.

[Bob (SRB)]

Woohoo go Michael Moore. The only guy who can publicly speak out against Bush and let people know. I thought his speech at the Oscars was kickass. Geekbot, do you really think the "government" is going to abide by the first amendment? It's not like they follow any of the other ones. I hope Bush dies by being gang beaten by a bunch of people with mental disabilities. Seeing as when he was governer of Texas he was about the only guy that wanted to fry them in the chair. Bush has killed more people than most serial killers in America. What a great guy to be leader of the most powerful Country in the world. Didn't you guys know that Bush has been out for blood ever since he lost to his brother in a game of GI JOES? That was 4 years ago.

[THE ENFORCER]

They can still play the movie its just that Disney probably did a cost/benefit anaylsis on the film and realised that the costs (such as losing customer retention, threat of higher taxes and losing ties with the govt) outweigh the benefits (making a couple of milllion now), Disney owner and Bush are also probably friends these big guns all are anyway (cause you kinda have to be).
Theres no secret in business that it pays to have friends in high places this is just a case of it.

[Cops]

BZ speaks the truth, I don't see a huge problem with this one.

[genocidal]

Yes, everyone is wrong and beez is right. Disney can do whatever the hell they want under their names such as Miramax and Dreamworks. I mean, they made those stupid names so they could start producing R movies and shit without tainting their family-oriented Disney name. It isn't morals that dictate the Disney executives actions, it's money. It makes complete sense that Disney would refuse distribution because Jeb would stick it to them (I hadn't thought about that beez, but good point). Anyways, I could care less because Michael Moore is a fat fucking idiot. While i'm in no way a conservative and actually anti-Bush that doesn't mean that I have to think that every single liberal whiny bitch is preaching truth. His films are horribly slanted and use shady and sometimes outright wrong quotes to advance Moore's own stupid political agenda (if the fat moron even has one). While mildy entertaining, Bowling for Columbine was outrageously biased and completely wrong at times. As a filmmaker though Moore has proved himself to be fairly good.

[lunch3]

Most media in the western world is left wing, not right wing.