Do you webdesign? Do yourself a favor and delete IE!

[Wintermute-]

Are there any other webdesigners who who are severely frustrated with IE's megomonopoly on the Browser market?
Not only does 90% of the web have Internet Explorer, but Internet Explorer is one of the worst browsers ever created.
Scratch that, its not a browser, its a file explorer that tries to be a web-browser.

If anyone else here has written a webpage that uses CSS (which webpages are supposed to do), only to have IE render it much differently than proper prowsers, like Mozilla and Opera.

Bah, my frustration is too intense to be explained.

Moral of the story? Download and install Mozilla.

[Fallen Angel]

For a so called "webdesigner" I think it's pretty ignorant standpoint, as IE is used by about 90% of the webbrowsing community.

[Wintermute-]

For a so called "webdesigner" I think it's pretty ignorant standpoint, as IE is used by about 90% of the webbrowsing community.

How is it an ignorant standpoint?
To put it mildly, IE is holding the web back.
If I was ignorant, I would design my layouts for IE users, so that webdesign as we know it will always be a mishmash of cross-browser based coding, and pages that don't view the same in all browsers.
Revolution, not evolution.

[arwen_7]

i find alot of sites not desined for netscape so i simlpy dont us it...i dont have a problem with IE it works..what more do you need?

[Vitron]

Web designers must make websites compatable for ie first, it's just logical. It doesn't really matter how good or bad of a browser ie is. Also you can't delete ie if your on windows.

[Fallen Angel]

How is it an ignorant standpoint?
To put it mildly, IE is holding the web back.
If I was ignorant, I would design my layouts for IE users, so that webdesign as we know it will always be a mishmash of cross-browser based coding, and pages that don't view the same in all browsers.
Revolution, not evolution.

You're talking about W3C compatibility right? Newsflash, that's just a guideline, not an official standard. Seen as IE dominates the market, IE sets the standard. You might not think that's fair, you might not agree with that standard, but that's the reality of the situation. I guarantee you there's not a single professional webdesinger out there that will ignore IE compatibility, because of the simple fact that the client will want to target as big a market as possible.

[Fallen Angel]

i find alot of sites not desined for netscape so i simlpy dont us it...i dont have a problem with IE it works..what more do you need?

I don't understand this whole crusade against Internet Explorer either. It does it's job, and it does it well. I've personally used Netscape, Mozilla (Firefox and Firebird) Opera and IE. Personally, I prefer IE over all its competitors.

[wadi]

Disagree with you completely on IE being better, and I think the point wintermute is trying to make is that IE has 90% of the market because no one is trying other products. The message is, get off your lazy ass and get a better browser. Hey, look what linux did for windows; 98/ME were unstable hunks of crap, and comparatively XP is pure gold.

[Cd-Rom]

Wadi, you're uneducated, Have you ever made a website? I wouldn't think so (if you have, ignore ^_~) But c'mon, Microsoft owns like 90%+ of the web market, they control it. So they throw IE into the mix for that their name is thrown around. IE is not the best, but it is the most used. So you can use whatever you want, but personally, I have 3 browsers as of right now, Netscape, IE, Mozilla. Those are the 3 that are used..any others are just being really stupid.

As for removing IE from windows, it can be done, I've done it at school as a project. It took me 4 months, and I had to edit explorer.exe to not have to include IE in bootup and whatnot, it was incredibly difficult, and I had to look in the Windows booklet, research and talk with friends. I did it though, so it can be done. Im also not that good at editing exe's so it must be somewhat easier than I made it.

P.S. Fallen, Im stealing your picture...Thong ^_~

[geekbot]

I think what he's trying to say is testing only on IE is dumb.

Not only are there many alternative graphical browsers out there, there are now browsers in mobile phones and PDAs. And if you think designing hardcoded 640x480 or 800x600 pixel tables is ok you might want to think again. What does your site look like on the 200-300 pixel screen of a phone that could be running Linux or a proprietary OS? Microsoft does not have a kung-fu grip on the future, and your site shouldn't become useless when the future becomes today.

[Sarien]

All I gotta say is... Safari. If I can ever get an OS X Continuum client, I'll be spending more time on my G4, like God intended.

[Benno]

The majority of people use IE because it's already on their computer. I use firefox personally, but I had to use IE to even get to it to download it. This, coupled with the fact the majority of users don't care what browser they use, means IE is going to remain the leader for sometime.

I do design webpages and I test everything for IE first, and the mozilla/firefox second. Web standards idealism has no place in designing a product for mass consumption.

Geekbot is touch on the subject of HTML as marked up content NOT a layout tool as many people have abused it to be. The sad fact is, untill very recently, CSS was not well supported enough to do the kinds of layouts people wanted consistently over all browsers.
I made this site using pure css. Even in compliant browsers it renders a little differntly then intended. The day when content (xml, xhtml) and style (xlst, wml, css) will be completly seperate and modular isn't here yet, but it's not far off. I'll wait till then to get one of those web enabled pocketables.

[Pandagirl!]

I have Firefox Mozilla and I hate it. I prefer internet explorer for many reasons, which I don't feel like thinking about and typing up.

[Puppet Master]

i cant stand mozilla. IE for life

[Wintermute-]

How can you be so adamant about Mozilla sucking?
For the most part, it loads about 10x faster (especially using the Quickstart feature), has way better features (Tabbed Browsing... Greatest invention ever. Also, popup blocker).



"Geekbot -
I think what he's trying to say is testing only on IE is dumb."

Precisely.


"Fallen Angel -
I guarantee you there's not a single professional webdesinger out there that will ignore IE compatibility, because of the simple fact that the client will want to target as big a market as possible."
You've never been around "real" webdesigners, have you? Not the wannabe's who will sell themselves out.
I guarentee you, go to any "geek" type place, like IRC, and 9/10 of the webdesigners you meet will despise IE as I do, and design primarily for Gecko-engine based navigators (Mozilla)



This is why IE sucks:
http://www12.brinkster.com/voidsied/sticksuicide/
(sorry for the top banner).

The above link was created in pure CSS, and was very easy to get to work in Mozilla. IE, however, requires a 6kb behaviour file. Do you know how much 6kb's of text is? A freaking lot.

Moral of the story: IE is holding the web back, as I proved in my example.