Do you webdesign? Do yourself a favor and delete IE!

[eehh]

If you were to count the hits on a website by only the more "clever" people, youd see very low counts of IE, and less microsoft based OS's.... this is why people target IE and Microsoft when coding virii and searching down exploits.

When was the last time you heard of a virus for linux?

wanna be my bitch?

[RabbitRapist]

why does noone code for lynx anymore. what the hell.

I kinda do... and the IBM screen reader

"Designing completly cross platform without using a browser detection script is really limiting. The majority of CSS is handled inconsistently meaning if you plan to build without flash, you're stuck on relying on brute force table tactics to get thigns to look the same on each brower."

bullshit..

[Dim]

For the people that posted their stats, isn't hits different to visits, is what you should be looking at.

[zx.]

Sure you do, Junior.

Did you read the post right?

void main()
{
bool calls_self_hacker;

if( calls_self_hacker )
{
laugh_hysterically;
call_fake;
}
else
{
ask_baiting_question;
}

exit(0);
}

lol what do you call that??? LOL!

And seriously, dont start this shit, i must have spent months of my life replying to posts like that, the definition of hacker is very very blurry, even that german fuckwitt who wrote sasser is called a "hacker"....... bleh!

[eehh]

i must have spent months of my life replying to posts like that

if you die, or leave, you dont have to answer posts like that anymore

[Sarien]

lol what do you call that??? LOL!

And seriously, dont start this shit, i must have spent months of my life replying to posts like that, the definition of hacker is very very blurry, even that german fuckwitt who wrote sasser is called a "hacker"....... bleh!

Never seen half-assed C syntax before?
And if you defend thinking of yourself as a hacker by saying that the definition of hacker is very very blurry? Just nevermind, buddy boy. Also, if you've done anything that "target IE" in a malicious way, here's hoping you spend some time in jail for it. Yay! You should feel shame, but I have a feeling you don't have any.

[Awesome]

Are there any other webdesigners who who are severely frustrated with IE's megomonopoly on the Browser market?
Not only does 90% of the web have Internet Explorer, but Internet Explorer is one of the worst browsers ever created.
Scratch that, its not a browser, its a file explorer that tries to be a web-browser.

If anyone else here has written a webpage that uses CSS (which webpages are supposed to do), only to have IE render it much differently than proper prowsers, like Mozilla and Opera.

Bah, my frustration is too intense to be explained.

Moral of the story? Download and install Mozilla.

after reading this i and seeing some of my friends occasionally using Mozilla, i decided to try it out too and see how different it was. Mozilla is nice for a few things that i've noticed, but i find it extremely frustrating to make HTML pages while using Mozilla to view them. Many things that would work in IE dont work right in Mozilla, everything has to be perfect, and even then, sometimes it wont work. And one page i had in javascript loads perfectly in IE and i tried viewiing it in Mozilla and it was completely fucked... after like every document.write(" ... "); it'd have a <BR> to end it even if you wanted stuff continued on that line. Plus it randomly started repeating some lines at weird locations. Quite weird. I like IE but since it seems people may start to switch over, i am now trying to make my pages compatible for Mozilla and IE without one or the other being messed (most likely Mozilla).

Nice browser, but not better than IE.

[Benno]

I kinda do... and the IBM screen reader

"Designing completly cross platform without using a browser detection script is really limiting. The majority of CSS is handled inconsistently meaning if you plan to build without flash, you're stuck on relying on brute force table tactics to get thigns to look the same on each brower."

bullshit..

it might degrade ok, but it wont look nice. This is even assuming people aren't using older browsers. When you have real clients refusing nothing less then IE 4 compatibility, your options are quite limited. For me its no big deal, dreamweaver will basicly build a table site without any effort on my part. If i'm asked to make a site that people on IE 4+, safari, IE mac, opera, kommander, mozilla, and any other browser you can think of, im not going to use anything from the CSS2+ spec unless I feel like sitting there for hours coaxing it to look the same in each browser.

This of course only applies when you're working with either strict time constraints or bitchy "well I use safari at home" clients.

[Evasive]

I would just like to add that zx asked me for my email address in-game so he could "supposedly" hack it. What a fucking nerd.

[Kolar]

I watched some pub players and Kiddos fight it out tech wise last night. Kinda sad they were aruging about local and global IPs and were giving out fake Ips so the other person can go "hack" them.

[Amok]

I use IE because no other browser I've tried is as fast to load web pages (Opera, Mozilla, Netscape, Firefox). Firefox was the best for me, but still takes twice as long to load SOME web pages than IE. If anyone knows how to make Firefox as fast as IE for any website, please speak now. And yeah I've tried enabling pipelining and setting some timer thing to 0 but it makes little difference.

[Jason]

If you've got the following in your user.js file and FireFox is still loading pages slower than IE, it's your connection, not the browser.

// This one makes a huge difference. Last value in milliseconds (default is 250) 
user_pref("nglayout.initialpaint.delay", 0);

// Enable pipelining: 
user_pref("network.http.pipelining", true); 
user_pref("network.http.proxy.pipelining", true); 
user_pref("network.http.pipelining.maxrequests", 100);

[Amok]

Yeah I have that exact code in, Jason, and I have a pretty good cable connection so I don't think it's that. I actually compared loading several pages with both IE and Firefox and some sites loaded at the same speed while with other sites, Firefox was twice as slow.

[wadi]

Yeah I have that exact code in, Jason, and I have a pretty good cable connection so I don't think it's that. I actually compared loading several pages with both IE and Firefox and some sites loaded at the same speed while with other sites, Firefox was twice as slow.

You may be running in to a rather unfortunate, but very common problem. Many large sites will offer several versions of a page to different browsers. Because IE has such a large market share, there's an IE optomized page you're being served, but if you try another browser you're getting the unoptomized vanilla version (compatibility over speed).

It's not that IE loads faster, it's that the pages that are being loaded are different. It's not malicious (well in most cases. some of you may remember the MS.net pages being specifically written to break under Opera a while back), but it could dramatically change your loading times.

[Amok]

Ahh that makes some sense, thanks wadi (and Jason for giving it a shot).
Think I'll go back to Firefox out of protest since Microsoft monopolize everything.