MAFIA: Fallen Angels

[Voth]

I?ll try to get with it a bit more, it?s been a trying couple days. We are back at home but he?s still sick and likely going to have to stay home with him tomorrow morning.

Obviously take care of family first, I get it.

[Zeebu]

I?ll try to get with it a bit more, it?s been a trying couple days. We are back at home but he?s still sick and likely going to have to stay home with him tomorrow morning.

[Jerome Scuggs]

"after the first flip there is a moment where the kill is the work of a serial killer" should be read as "after the first flip there is a moment where we're wondering if the kill is the work of a serial killer", i do the shit live

[Jerome Scuggs]

i fuckin hate adhd, i wound up closing my browser which deleted my bigpost, but it doesnt matter because posting it now instead of when i typed it out would just seem like i was trying to justify after-the-fact

im a little annoyed with either willby or myself, as the town psychologist i had a 2-shot ability to cure the SK which i assume would make him town. last night i used my first attempt on zeebu thinking he was the serial killer who then crafted a cover story because something went wrong with the nightkill. and ive totally forgotten all the rock-paper-scissors mechanics of who kills what blocks who etc, so i figured zeebu was claiming some kind of roleblock in hopes of drawing in mafia who would then get overridden by sk's defense or something

im assuming willby didn't know there was a psych, or hell, maybe he was trying to provoke me into a roleclaim in hopes of finding the psych, because history shows im real bad about reacting to accusations, when im town i immediately roleclaim and when im scum i apparently give that away fast too, and no matter what alignment i am i tend to just come off scummy anyways. that was the gist of the post i wrote last night, the 'a-ha!' moment was that willby and halp are the two who really pointed out the flaws in my mafia playstyle in the past as we would always talk mafia on subspace, and so when people posted "jerome seems scummy" and neither willby or halp stepped in with a "well jerome always seems scummy", i figured thats because it was in their interest to have suspicion remain on me. in particular halp knows i get tunnelvision when pressed and i think he tried to do that again this game, but i cant tell if that was motivated by good or bad intent, though i wanna lean towards 'bad' because man i become a messy bitch and straight up wreck games sometimes

anyways just sort of look thru my posts and you'll notice alot of them make a bit more sense when you view them thru the lens of my claim - even the "gibberish about republicans" or whatever:

i will never not be fascinated by how delusional people can become these days, given how easy it is to construct your own reality with whatever confirmation bias you desire, and i am not talking about just like, maga chuds or whatever. i got people on my facebook still talkin bout russian trump manchurian candidate shit, like seriously updating daily at breakneck speed like they were in a god damned mission impossible film that never ended or went anywhere

would love to just sit down with these types and just, idk, figure out how someone can get that far down a particular rabbit hole, and somehow miss all the contradictory evidence. shit is wild.

psychoanalysis ftw

on top of that you'll see that after the first flip there is a moment where the kill is the work of a serial killer, i believe i was replying specifically to the_paul's asking about whether that's the theory we were gonna go with and i more or less tried to confirm the existence of an SK without also either giving away how i might know, or somehow making myself look like the SK

anyways

the zeebu=strongman idea absolutely ticks all the boxes here, but if i vote for zeebu and he flips town im trying to think of how im going to be blamed for it, lemme mull that one over before actually boldvoting

[Voth]

Voth, did you modify the flavor text at all from your original plan?

No. I wish I could address these concerns in a more detailed manner, but I see no way to do it without influencing the outcome of the game one way or another. zeebu - do you intend to keep playing? If not, I will look for a sub, but I can't guarantee (and think we probably won't) find one.

[the_paul]

do you think Zeebu would cry Modkill me in the thread and then pm Voth "Dont actually modkill me" ??

Ive played this game too much man i dont trust anybody anymore

Not with the irl stuff being the reasoning. Yeah in a vacuum maybe he could say he is sick of playing with idiots just modkill, but there is a 0% chance he'd throw in the hospital stuff just to strengthen the play or anything like that.

[the_paul]

I can't imagine zeebu would use this irl situation to manipulate the game, so I'm more tempted to believe him. The flavor points to him lying but very weird play/claim if he is.

Before his tragic passing, Kthx said we should lynch jerome. Do we pay tribute to our fallen by honoring his last wish?

I know you're not saying that you think there's any chance he'd do this, but there is a 0% chance this thought ever crossed his mind. Just wanted to pile on before some fuck fuck idiot tries to chime in saying "Well maybe.....".

Jerome has been more active, and his activity always seems (to me) to ramp up immediately after he gets called out for lurking. That's usually a bad sign, when someone is active enough to respond quickly after being called out, but stays quiet otherwise. It could very well be coincidence, but it usually isn't. I still wouldn't be opposed to this route, but to be fair, Jerome has ramped up his activity as the game has gone on.

The big question is what to do about Zeebu. He has made it clear that he (understandably) won't be around for the game, so this could put town in a pinch. If we go for someone else today and fuck it up, and Zeebu is also town, this day phase could end essentially end the game, because Zeebu will have to be modkilled at some point. I suppose someone could sub in for him, but that would feel kind of weird this late. Operating under the assumption that we have 5 townies and 2 scum (sorry Rodney, I have to think this part through): If we leave Zeebu, and lynch someone else, and fuck it up, we are essentially going to have 3 townies and 2 scum after today.

Voth , is there any chance you would look to sub Zeebu? Asking for a modkill makes me think he won't be back at all, so if subbing isn't an option, he has to be modkilled. I'm not trying to be insensitive, I'm just looking at the numbers and thinking how this day phase might be a lot more pivotal than it seemed a couple hours ago.

Anyway, I don't love ALL of the reasoning to lynch Zeebu, but I don't think we can deny that there is more evidence against him than anybody else. If we decide to leave Zeebu for now, who do we go for? I would personally lean Jerome or Fis (sorry Fis ILY). I've made my thoughts on Jerome clear, and like Rodney said, I knew Fis was in the game, but I'm having trouble off the top of my head remembering any big posts or votes or anything from her. She is impossible to read because she always plays the same, but as usual, I just get scum vibes from her. I would also add Halp to this list. Off the top of my head, I believe he played a very similar way last game up until he dropped that genius Sensor bomb on us, and MVPed and won the game (fuck you for that btw). Before that, I don't remember a lot about him. The only thing I can remember from Halp for sure this game is how hard he went after Wark, who ended up flipping town. I am guilty of being convinced to vote for Wark, but Willby immediately jumped at the chance to lynch Wark and helped push that wagon. Obviously Willby and Halp weren't teammates, but it can't be a good look that that SK was the co-driver of a wagon that got a townie PR lynched.

In regards to what Rodney said, you're absolutely correct about me being more of a follower this game. I feel like there is a gigantic information void in this particular game, and I'm struggling with it. I've had an investigative role for, I think, 4 straight games, so I kind of got used to being able to get any information I wanted when I wanted it. Sign of a shitty player, absolutely accurate and deserved, but it's where I'm at. I don't have a lot to offer beyond some of these ideas, that's why I'm throwing things out and seeing what you guys think. The pick up by Rodney and Exalt on the kill text, whether it ends up mattering or not, was a fantastic catch and one I missed completely. Hopefully by throwing some of these things out, we can get a discussion going and figure out the smart thing to do here.

[RoDNeY]

do you think Zeebu would cry Modkill me in the thread and then pm Voth "Dont actually modkill me" ??

Ive played this game too much man i dont trust anybody anymore

[Zeebu]

Voth, did you modify the flavor text at all from your original plan?

[fiS]

In this case I am truly tempted to believe Zeebu's claim.

[Voth]

No one is getting modkilled. Carry on faggots.

[Halp]

I can't imagine zeebu would use this irl situation to manipulate the game, so I'm more tempted to believe him. The flavor points to him lying but very weird play/claim if he is.

Before his tragic passing, Kthx said we should lynch jerome. Do we pay tribute to our fallen by honoring his last wish?

[RoDNeY]

Actually, voth, feel free to just modkill me if you like

long as I flip publicly that?s fine

at first i thought you had just given up with the self vote but now that youre asking for a mod kill to deal with irl stuff im not so sure of that anymore

Unvote Zeebu

I'm still fucking confused as all hell about the writeup though it doesn't make any sense whatsoever unless there is a possible skitzophrenic out there that accidentally killed someone?

I could have sworn that zeebu was bullshitting us after this writeup came out and it looked pretty damning that he was caught full scum. My next closest scum read would be on Jerome, mostly stemming from inactivity and lack of contribution since we all know that to be scum tactics. What makes me feel weird about it is that is all i have to go off for Jerome. He has posted a few things here and there but i dont think any of it actually pertains to the game

FiS I honestly dont have much of a read on at all, i almost forgot she was even in this game so i might even lump her in with the Jerome category. I havent read anything of hers making her seem overly town but nothing overly scum either. She is playing an extremely good Neutral game whether she is doing that on purpose or not

Like Paul mentioned earlier i felt the same as him about Exalt, he seemed he wasnt his normal scum hunting self but his posts lately are giving me that old exalt townie vibe like he is finally pushing the gas and using real reasoning and conviction.

Halp is about 80% town 20% scum in my mind, I cant tell if he keeps referencing me as his #1 town vibe because he is trying to align with me or if its because he actually feels that way but he seems to be playing a smart town game. But fuck we are talking about the same guy who won the last game for his excellent fake claim and town misleading posts which is always going to make me doubt him now at least just that 20%

I've been getting a town read on Paul for practically the entire game, he has thought of a lot of his reasoning on the same wave length that i have which really sells him as town to me, the only thing that worries me a little bit is that he seems to just be riding what other people say and never bringing much of his own ideas to the table.

My dilemma here is that Zeebu was what i felt the closest vote to a sure thing, im full of uncertainty on a majority of everyone else without having any actual evidence to go off

[fiS]

Actually, voth, feel free to just modkill me if you like

long as I flip publicly that?s fine

I meant to quote this.

[fiS]

If I don?t flip publicly then don?t, I don?t think it says enough

With all respect for your situation, this blows.