[TW MAFIA] Doom of Westeros

[field]

[VOTE COUNT]

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halp - 4 (backwards, kthx, the_paul, fis)
fis - 3 (Voth, Exalt, halp)
WillBy - 1 (Erias)
Missa - 1 (inertube)
the_paul - 1 (rodney)
voth - 1 (Missa)
kthx - 1 (jerome)
rodney - 1 (WillBy)

As votes stand, halp is set to be lynched.

Phase change:
30 mins from now.

[Exalt]

Halp is doing himself no favors too so fuck em.

[Exalt]

Actually, as town, I have towns best interests in
mind because I would prefer to win. This is mafia 101 stuff - it is a perfect opportunity for scum to get an easy town Lynch without having to answer tough questions about it on Day 2.

It's the scum dream - day 1 they kill a townie AND they don't have to deal with people analyzing the vote patterns on Day 2. Much better than a NL for them.

Don't bother. Kthx is scum this game.

[Voth]

I think the lady doth protest too much.

I've never seen someone trying so hard to look like town, trying to save town, by stopping a day one policy lynch. Bad play on your part scum.

Actually, as town, I have towns best interests in
mind because I would prefer to win. This is mafia 101 stuff - it is a perfect opportunity for scum to get an easy town Lynch without having to answer tough questions about it on Day 2.

It's the scum dream - day 1 they kill a townie AND they don't have to deal with people analyzing the vote patterns on Day 2. Much better than a NL for them.

[kthx]

Everyone voting for Halp is scum or a fuck fuck idiot.

I think the lady doth protest too much.

I've never seen someone trying so hard to look like town, trying to save town, by stopping a day one policy lynch. Bad play on your part scum.

[Voth]

Everyone voting for Halp is scum or a fuck fuck idiot.

[WillBy]

Phase change yet?

[kthx]

If exalt had a wife and kids like me he wouldn't have time to write so many essays in lithishitania

[fiS]

Uhm no wait. Yet I am not concluding anything. I dunno why you're putting words in my mouth?

And yes, I have given two reasons why Halp is a good vote for me.

Question.
So you conclude scum would never vote scum on day 1?

[Exalt]

No.
My gut feeling is that voting halp is a good choice for day one. Sure, there could be scum on the wagon, especially if he's town. But when there's 5 votes on him, there is at least 2-3 townies on him, too. Just assuming this because scum wouldn't all jump on the same wagon day one.
Your black and white logic doesn't apply for me here.

It's not black and white logic. It's common sense. It's not difficult to get town to vote where you want them to as scum, especially town that aren't even trying to pay attention. How else do you think scum win?

What I find unlikely is that the very first wagon on Day 1, which gained the majority extremely quickly and doesn't really have a competing counterwagon is on scum. What I also find odd is you saying the tiny counterwagon on you is scummier than the wagon you're currently on with the majority of the players in this game.

As for if scum are on his wagon, I guarantee you they wouldn't be if he is scum, so you're saying that either he is likely town, or that everyone voting Halp is town. There's no real in-between, because no scum is dumb enough to vote off their buddies on Day 1, because its counterproductive and doesn't even give town cred. Bussing is fine later in the game, but nobody remembers or cares about the Day 1 lynch. How many of you remembered scum ixt and scum me were voting each other Day 1 of last game? Probably none of you, which proves my point. Scum aren't going to lynch their buddies on Day 1.

Since that's almost certainly the case, you're saying that your gut thinks it likely that 5 townies randomly voted scum on Day 1 with the first wagon of the game, and scum are doing next to nothing to help form a counterwagon to save their buddy, correct? I'm not scum, so even if Voth and Halp were scum, there's probably 2 more out there somewhere doing nothing, when they could all give someone else the majority in a heartbeat. Due to that, if Halp was scum, its likely you'd be the lead wagon right now, not him.

So my conclusion is that Halp is either town, or scum are bad and/or afk this game. You seemingly conclude the opposite, so I'm trying to figure out why. You haven't really answered why either beyond saying your gut thinks it's a good idea. That's a total non-answer, because your gut can think literally anyone in this game is guilty, so why Halp specifically?

[fiS]

So your gut feeling is that everyone voting Halp is town, right? I mean, I find it pretty implausible that scum would lynch their own teammate on Day 1, so you must believe that. That's called having reads. If everyone voting Halp is town, then people not voting Halp must all be in your scum pool with him, correct?

No.
My gut feeling is that voting halp is a good choice for day one. Sure, there could be scum on the wagon, especially if he's town. But when there's 5 votes on him, there is at least 2-3 townies on him, too. Just assuming this because scum wouldn't all jump on the same wagon day one.
Your black and white logic doesn't apply for me here.

[Exalt]

fiS As far as I can tell, 5 people are voting Halp. Only 3 are voting you, one of which is Halp, because he pretty much has no choice anyway. I know I'm not scum, leaving only Voth as possible scum. Compare that with the 5 people voting Halp and a bunch of players being useless voting randomly, who will convienently 'forget' to switch their RVS vote until after deadline hits and the lynch goes through.

Which wagon looks scummier from an outside glance? You tell me.

[Exalt]

Also I'd like to add:
no, I don't have scum reads. This isn't unusual.
So I can only base my vote on my gut feeing as I usually do on day one.

So your gut feeling is that everyone voting Halp is town, right? I mean, I find it pretty implausible that scum would lynch their own teammate on Day 1, so you must believe that. That's called having reads. If everyone voting Halp is town, then people not voting Halp must all be in your scum pool with him, correct?

[Exalt]

My initial vote on Voth obviously was quite jokingly and since a couple more voted on him I switched to Halp.
Two quite easy reasons for me.
Last game he really was a pain for me and no help for town at all.
I didn't know backwards and halp are related or friends in a way, but what goes on just posting from an other account.
Dunno if backwards is to blame or halp himself, I find it shit and I feel like if we lynch day 1, it could be one of them.

Okay, but do you not see how scum would likely jump on this excuse, because it's easy and doesn't require either of them to be scum to get the lynch through? There's no thought or effort behind voting Halp here, and nobody even cares about his alignment. When I'm scum, I love stuff like this, because it's easy and places zero suspicion on me for going that route. I did it all of last game during every phase, because no townie decided that maybe someone gaining such a quick majority out of nowhere and nobody caring at all about their alignment at any point is possibly something to look at. Well, I'm town this game, so its something to look at in my view. Voth is looking at it too, which seems like a town Voth move to make. People ignoring it and/or calling it scummy for paying attention to what's happening in the game are suspect imo. That includes you right now. Oddly enough, scum aren't clamoring to lynch you unless you, so what's that say about your alignment?

[fiS]

Also I'd like to add:
no, I don't have scum reads. This isn't unusual.
So I can only base my vote on my gut feeing as I usually do on day one.