TW Mafia: Sweet Vengeance

[Exalt]

Ok I think I'm done harassing ixt...

the paul "slip" thing us dumb af, I literally suggested the same thing in the middle of last game (cause exalt, rodney, and I were all lynchers.) Anyone reading their win conditions that closely is either not town or it's their first time playing.

It's not so dumb that it can't possibly be true, although I didn't even vote him for it, and I said it. It has more to do with him not knowing town's wincon if he was scum, rather than him not carefully reading his wincon as town. Still, it's not a good reason to lynch him.

ffe/downfall/grand buddy up reminds me of when exalt/rodney/paul were all scum and jerked each other off the whole game.

This made me lol. If it reminds you of it though, then maybe it's true? Was it too conveinent when Rodney/Paul/I did it together?

reasons to lynch grand: he has claimed 2 different roles, hes pming d1 (giving up towns only advantage or just trying to get others' trust), he claimed to know downfall was a good guy (either they're both scum, both dumb, or grand is trying to look clean like voth)

Reasons why Grand won't get lynched even if he should be: He claimed Supersaint, and nobody wants to be the last person on his wagon.

[ixt]

Ok I think I'm done harassing ixt...

the paul "slip" thing us dumb af, I literally suggested the same thing in the middle of last game (cause exalt, rodney, and I were all lynchers.) Anyone reading their win conditions that closely is either not town or it's their first time playing.

ffe/downfall/grand buddy up reminds me of when exalt/rodney/paul were all scum and jerked each other off the whole game. Not that I think they are all scum together, that would be way too convenient.

reasons to lynch grand: he has claimed 2 different roles, hes pming d1 (giving up towns only advantage or just trying to get others' trust), he claimed to know downfall was a good guy (either they're both scum, both dumb, or grand is trying to look clean like voth)

fak u

[WillBy]

Ok I think I'm done harassing ixt...

the paul "slip" thing us dumb af, I literally suggested the same thing in the middle of last game (cause exalt, rodney, and I were all lynchers.) Anyone reading their win conditions that closely is either not town or it's their first time playing.

ffe/downfall/grand buddy up reminds me of when exalt/rodney/paul were all scum and jerked each other off the whole game. Not that I think they are all scum together, that would be way too convenient.

reasons to lynch grand: he has claimed 2 different roles, hes pming d1 (giving up towns only advantage or just trying to get others' trust), he claimed to know downfall was a good guy (either they're both scum, both dumb, or grand is trying to look clean like voth)

[ixt]

halp did his typical personal-reason vote on me at the start of the game, said some non-important gibberish, then disappeared. Dunno if backwards did even that. With how this game is set up, if this continues then these two (with a few more) can be categorized as lurk.

[ixt]

Grand isnt an amateur. Your theory is flawed. It would be a scum power move to try to get a townies loyalty and trust d1. You just have to find a townie gullible enough...

i like how youre indirectly implying that to myself.

[WillBy]

willing to bet my money that either halp or sdrawkcab si eman sohw yug eht is scum.

Halp sdrawkcab either defend yourselves or add this to your forum sig

[WillBy]

but now thinking about it id suspect Grand to be more pro-town. if he has anti-town of any sort, why would he just randomly pm people to put suspicion on himself? i see it as he might be telling the truth about supersaint, but made the amateur mistake of putting trust randomly. Now, this still does not clear either down or ffe, and im still debating with the voting patterns as well, as some individuals seem to have disappeared into thin air in the most recent few pages

Grand isnt an amateur. Your theory is flawed. It would be a scum power move to try to get a townies loyalty and trust d1. You just have to find a townie gullible enough...

[ixt]

willing to bet my money that either halp or sdrawkcab si eman sohw yug eht is scum.

[ixt]

but now thinking about it id suspect Grand to be more pro-town. if he has anti-town of any sort, why would he just randomly pm people to put suspicion on himself? i see it as he might be telling the truth about supersaint, but made the amateur mistake of putting trust randomly. Now, this still does not clear either down or ffe, and im still debating with the voting patterns as well, as some individuals seem to have disappeared into thin air in the most recent few pages

[WillBy]

with this consideration brings my interest to what u feel about paul, as he has seemingly put the hammer vote on Down to be lynched. remarks on that?

Voth is dodging the lead lynch wagon, probably scum. Pushing for the one that wont happen so he can say "look you idiots, we should've lynched grand"

[WillBy]

WillBy dont think i dont see u lurking around online on forum

I'm reading thread, not lurking. Its 7:45 am my time, and quite a bit has happened over night. Then again, this is TW Mafia and reading thread is anti-meta. Which explains your confusion about Exalt saying saints are policy kills.

[Exalt]

Beast, I think it's fair to say that nearly all, if not every single townie has a Vengeful modifier of some sort. The name of the game is Sweet Vengeance, and everyone has claimed some sort of vengeance modifier. There's literally no option except to lynch someone who claimed Vengeful Townie or Supersaint, because everyone claimed one of those two. There's no way to avoid the 'mind field' as you put it, so the best way for town to win is to use the mindfield to our advantage. Are you following so far?

Now, here's where the mechanics of why lynching Vengeful claims over Supersaints come into play. Supersaints only kill the last person to vote them when they get lynched. It's safe to say that scum will never, ever be the last person on any Supersaint wagon in this game. They will never, ever willingly die 1 for 1, so they will always let a townie get killed by the Supersaint instead. It will happen 100% of the time if scum aren't complete braindead fools. This means that at whenever a Supersaint is lynched, regardless of their alignment, a townie on their wagon will die. Supersaints don't even get a choice in the matter. There's no way around it. Now, if Vengeful Townie claims (I hope you understand that scum lie, meaning its likely not all these claims are really Townies) are lynched instead, that Vengeful Townie gets to choose anyone they want to die with them. It doesn't have to be the last person to vote them. It can be literally anyone, which means that Townie has a shot at killing scum, rather than having a 0% chance of killing scum like Supersaints do.

What does this all mean? It means that in my opinion, Supersaints should not be lynched by default, because they are 100% anti-town when lynched. It's FAR better for Vengeful Townie claims get lynched instead, and if that player isn't scum, they should use their kill on Supersaints, thus negating Supersaints' kill ability entirely, which again, is 100% anti-town 100% of the time. It's never going to work in Town's favor at any point in this game, so if scum are Supersaints, the best way to take them out is by Vengeful Townie kills. Supersaints should be policy killed due to their anti-town nature, and I think it's almost certain that at least one (if not more) scum are among the Supersaint claims.

Does this not make sense?

Fixed. Also, to add to this, Supersaint claims are unlikely to ever be lynched over Vengeful Townie claims simply because nobody wants to be the one to automatically die if that Supersaint player wasn't lying. Scum might be Supersaints (although maybe not all Supersaint claims are scum), but Town aren't going to want to willingly die just to flip them and find out. This means Supersaints are going to be really hard, if not impossible to lynch, even if they are extremely scummy players that deserve it. That means the best way to get rid of them and their near-unlynchable status is to use our Vengeful kills on them. I see no other way around it. Grand probably deserves to be lynched this phase, but nobody wants to be the last one on the Grand wagon in case he really is a Supersaint (which is neither here nor there regarding his alignment). If he really is scum, then the best way to get rid of him and other Supersaint players who are likely scum is to use our Vengeful kills on them, while we lynch the Vengeful Townie claims who we think are scum instead.

[ixt]

I think that Grand is the most likely scum I've seen so far.

First, he says Downfall is one of the good guys without reason and then when pressed, confesses he just doesn't want him to get lynched on his first game back.

Second, he throws out that he only trusts ixt because they are both saints. When I call him out on piggybacking ixts claim that I described as believable, he says he was one of the first to claim and throws a revenge vote on me. Further investigation revealed he did not publicly claim Saint, just vengeful townie. Has not addressed it since and went MIA, but it turns out he claimed in private to ixt on Day 1.

I don't like the Downfall wagon. Not one bit.

Need I say more?

with this consideration brings my interest to what u feel about paul, as he has seemingly put the hammer vote on Down to be lynched. remarks on that?

[ixt]

WillBy dont think i dont see u lurking around online on forum

[Voth]

voth who do you think I should vote for in your heart?

I think that Grand is the most likely scum I've seen so far.

First, he says Downfall is one of the good guys without reason and then when pressed, confesses he just doesn't want him to get lynched on his first game back.

Second, he throws out that he only trusts ixt because they are both saints. When I call him out on piggybacking ixts claim that I described as believable, he says he was one of the first to claim and throws a revenge vote on me. Further investigation revealed he did not publicly claim Saint, just vengeful townie. Has not addressed it since and went MIA, but it turns out he claimed in private to ixt on Day 1.

I don't like the Downfall wagon. Not one bit.

Need I say more?