Mafia 2020 #2: Shipwrecked

[Vehicle]

So here's the summary of night two in my brain if everyone is to be believed: Backwards protected Voth and TP targeted Voth. Paul got a "successful" but Voth didn't die. No one died.

So, if paul got "successful" than it stands to reason that he's an insane vigilante or whatever, where his skill is really a lie and doesn't mean anything.

No one died, though, so then did the mafia target Voth and backwards saved her? With the detective dead I can't see a reason why the mafia would hold their cards and not send anyone out to do a killing. This seems like the most logical scenario.

So, if everyone is telling the truth, then the mafia targeted Voth and backwards saved her while Paul was really just a vanilla townie all along.

Considering no one died, I'm liable to be believe backwards.

But paul didn't come forward saying he targeted Voth until after backwards said he protected him, which makes for an easy and convenient roleclaim that could really just be misdirection.

Based off of all of that, I'm looking at casting my vote on either Beast (process of elimination) or paul, as it'd be strange for the mafia to target Voth if she were one of their own.

Am I missing something?

[the_paul]

So here's the summary of night two in my brain if everyone is to be believed: Backwards protected Voth and TP targeted Voth. Paul got a "successful" but Voth didn't die. No one died.

So, if paul got "successful" than it stands to reason that he's an insane vigilante or whatever, where his skill is really a lie and doesn't mean anything.

No one died, though, so then did the mafia target Voth and backwards saved her? With the detective dead I can't see a reason why the mafia would hold their cards and not send anyone out to do a killing. This seems like the most logical scenario.

So, if everyone is telling the truth, then the mafia targeted Voth and backwards saved her while Paul was really just a vanilla townie all along.

Considering no one died, I'm liable to be believe backwards.

But paul didn't come forward saying he targeted Voth until after backwards said he protected him, which makes for an easy and convenient roleclaim that could really just be misdirection.

Based off of all of that, I'm looking at casting my vote on either Beast (process of elimination) or paul, as it'd be strange for the mafia to target Voth if she were one of their own.

Am I missing something?

I got successful because I wasn't roleblocked. So my action went through, it was just protected against. I didn't want to say who I targeted right off the bat because then someone claiming doctor could say that they protected that person. Would be an easy roleclaim for mafia, especially if I targeted the godfather (which has decent odds all things considered). I was hoping backwards would give a different name, then we'd have a very good chance of knowing voth was the godfather. But backwards protecting Voth adds up.

Now the fact that there were 0 kills makes me an easy target for a mafia lynch today. It will be very easy for mafia to spin that I claimed targeting Voth, backwards claimed protecting voth, there were no kills, which means I'm scum. I didn't need to roleclaim vigi, so hopefully you guys keep that in mind. That leaves us with 3 scenarios: 1) I am an idiot and lied about being vigi and targeting Voth, and I'm really scum, 2) Mafia assumed the vigi targeted the godfather, and they chose to get ahead of it and roleclaim doctor to dodge that bullet (doesn't explain no night kills though), or 3) Backwards and I targeted the same person, we are telling the truth, and we are up shit's creek now. Up to you to decide

[Beast]

UNVOTE PAUL

[Voth]

Absolutely fucking not.

Unless anyone wants to counter claim doctor(or another town protective role that would call the existence of a doctor into question) right now, Backwards is town.

I'm positive that someone tried to kill me last night, but it sure as hell wasn't a one shot vigilante. It was the scum team, led by my main man the_paul.

So we are to believe that Paul shot his load on me as Town Vigilante with nothing to go on, not even any decent chatter, a move that if successful would have likely ended the game in a mafia win? Nope. Paul is not a dumb mafia player. Of course it's a bad situation. Assuming 3-2 going into night, all you can do is hope we end the night without a kill taking place and lynch a scumbag the next day. Vanilla townies have been the ones dying, not power roles, making this not at all out of the realm of possibility... and look, it did. What a good mafia player does there if they are pro-town is not take the entire game into their hands with absolutely NOTHING to go off, not even chatter where you can get a good gut feeling.

I assume Backwards knew that the scum team would know that I was a likely target tonight, and rightfully so.

vote the_paul

[Voth]

Only question is who his scum buddy is. I bet it's Beast. That was a pretty weak vote and unvote on Paul. Super scummy all together.

Also, do I come off as a chick?

[Voth]

By the way, if you are a vigilante and target someone that the doctor protected, you would get a "your kill was unsuccessful" return, not a successful action that just didn't happen for some reason. No way.

[Voth]

Actually, what in the actual fuck is Vehicle rambling on about? Anyone else catch his bullshit "Paul must be an insane vigilante, where his power doesn't work" things? That doesn't even fucking exist. So what's the point of a statement like this then? To send a subliminal message that Paul is the town vig and not scum, and actually whoever the scum team really is tried to kill me. But no chance that Paul is just full of shit... more likely that Willby made up a neutered Vigilante shitrole that no one has ever heard of...oh, and made it a 1-shot.

Did I seriously peg the scum team on like Page 2 of this game while trolling for scum? Legendary if so.

Paul today, Vehicle tomorrow, and that's game.

[sdrawkcab]

day 1 lynch

Originally posted by WillBy View Post
Vote Tally:

Halp - 2 (sdrawkcab, beast)
kyler - 1 (Voth)
Exalt - 1 (the_paul)
the_paul - 2 (Vehicle, Voth)
sdrawkcab - 1 (Halp)

Missing votes from Exalt.

As it stands, we are set to lynch both Halp and the_paul. Phase change in idk, an hour or so.

This vote is partially to spur Exalt to come back with a lecture on the Gamblers fallacy as in games past because it is legendary every time, and also to just not let two of us die Day 1. I'll take the risk... Halp should be scum this game. lil fk

unvote Paul
vote Halp

[sdrawkcab]

Day 2 lynch

Vote Tally:

Vehicle- 1 (Voth)
Voth - 1 (Vehicle)
sdrawkcab - 2 (the_paul, kyler)
kyler - 1 (Beast)

Missing Votes from: sdrawkcab

Then backwards, voth, vehicle moved their votes to kyler after this for day 2 lynch kyler

[the_paul]

By the way, if you are a vigilante and target someone that the doctor protected, you would get a "your kill was unsuccessful" return, not a successful action that just didn't happen for some reason. No way.

Incorrect, my message was that I performed a successful shot, but did not kill anybody.

I had to take the shot, come on now. How could I know mafia wouldn't get a kill off? If they did, the game would be over (if this game makes any sense). You don't need to spin it because I've already handed everybody all the nails needed to lynch me, but we both know I couldn't sit here and not use my 1 shot on the last night.

[Voth]

Incorrect, my message was that I performed a successful shot, but did not kill anybody.

I had to take the shot, come on now. How could I know mafia wouldn't get a kill off? If they did, the game would be over (if this game makes any sense). You don't need to spin it because I've already handed everybody all the nails needed to lynch me, but we both know I couldn't sit here and not use my 1 shot on the last night.

Bullshit. Vanilla townies are the only ones that have died and there are 5 people left. The chance of a doctor or roleblocker or other action modifying role hitting right is higher than you taking the game into your own hands with not a single solitary shred of information to go on, not even a gut feeling you can justify with any chatter, because there hasn't been any.

You are way better at this game than that. A little rusty though, because this play was weaksauce.

[Vehicle]

Actually, what in the actual fuck is Vehicle rambling on about? Anyone else catch his bullshit "Paul must be an insane vigilante, where his power doesn't work" things? That doesn't even fucking exist. So what's the point of a statement like this then? To send a subliminal message that Paul is the town vig and not scum, and actually whoever the scum team really is tried to kill me.

I said that specifically because paul said he got a "successful" result and then no one died. Wouldn't he have to have been insane then? Don't take my stupidity for anything more than it is.

Also, for some reason my 2005 brain remembered you as a chick, apologies.


At first I was thinking voth's multi-post tirade was misdirection and he was a bulletproof godfather.

But then it dawns on me that backwards said he protected Voth before t_p admitted to trying to kill him, thus giving voth no reason to go so hard on paul other than conviction.

I add that to the shitty way paul roleclaimed, and the fuzzy math for him to be shooting up the place, and the convenience of double-posting to caveat that it was a 1-shot thing and he's only town now and I'm going to:

vote the_paul

[Voth]

Meanwhile, in the scum chat right now...

TP: yeah, you have to jump on the wagon now if we are gonna have any chance at all. I'm toast. The voth train just ran me over at full speed. CHOO CHOO

V: ok sounds good

TP: make sure to make your explanation as vague and dimwitted as possible, because there's really no good defense.

V: will do

[Vehicle]

Have you ever considered that I actually am just dim?

[Beast]

Vote the_paul

nope, I just want to like follow you every game as a captain, the-Paul clearly too mentally delusional to lead