Mafia 2020 #3: 14 Stories Above the Sea

[kthx]

Voth assuming you are town as nd not mafia then I have a suggestion.

Vote for TP and double lynch me and him. I will pop town and he will pop mafia but that will give town one more phase instead of ending the game with town losing right now. Theres basically no reason not to do this as its game over if you lynch one or two townies at this point.

[Edify]

Edify if you think a ninja poisoner is more implausible than everything I said in this post, I don't know what to say.

It was just an observation. And I said strongman, feller, which I do think would be an OP role.

I can't help but wonder what kind of reaming I will get at end of game if it turns out Voth and TP both bussed Sdrawkcab together D1! Hahaha! Not one but two clutch players.

[Voth]

This was Paul hammer voting Backwards three minutes after my vote on Backwards. The only possible explanation to on I can see is if Paul was hoping someone would tie it up so that if he was losing his teammate, at least they take out a townie too with him.

Lets examine Willbys vote count after we all flipped to Backwards:

Vote tally:
Beast-2 (vehicle,edify)
exalt-2 (jessup, sdrawkcab)
bioture-1 (beast)
jessup-1 (kassius)
ixt-1 (halp)
sdrawkcab-3 (exalt, the_paul, voth)

Dirty unvoters: ixt, hookecho
afkers: Missa, Bioture

10 minutes til vote lock
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Paul had his vote on a Beast, a townie, before switching to Backwards. If he just shut up and didn't do anything, Beast would have led the vote lead with 3 instead of Backwards.

Mind you, this was all very last minute and I wasn't even sure we had time to switch our votes and go for Backwards, so it's hard to believe Paul would switch his vote off to prevent a town lynch and hammer his role blocker at the last minute. No plan for a double lynch including his teammate makes any sense. Could have tried to lynch two townies, but a townie and a scum mate? Why? WHY?

The only possibility I see is something crazy like Backwards had an IRL issue and they decided to pull a crazy move that might win them the game down the line, like now. If that's the case, I tip my hat.

My vote stays.

Edify if you think a ninja poisoner is more implausible than everything I said in this post, I don't know what to say.

[Voth]

No matter how you cut it, it seems extremely bogus that ixt, bodyguard got a successful protect action on Exalt N2 but the reason Exalt still died was a ninja strongman. Strongman is already a powerful role and to make him a ninja too would be just Willby reaching another level of crazy in hosting.

Ninja Poisoner*

Bodyguards do not protect against Poisoners. Only Poison Doctors do.

[Edify]

No matter how you cut it, it seems extremely bogus that ixt, bodyguard got a successful protect action on Exalt N2 but the reason Exalt still died was a ninja strongman. Strongman is already a powerful role and to make him a ninja too would be just Willby reaching another level of crazy in hosting.

[Edify]

Jeez you guys posted a lot after 10pm my time.

[Voth]

I'm pretty confident Kthx flips scum. He has been top of my scum read list for multiple phases in a row.

If that's the case, I agree that it is a tad confusing to see what numbers we are working with. If Paul isn't scum, then there is a ninja role on the scum team and it is overpowered so it could have been a team of three.

Could it be so simple that the current vote count is the split of town and scum?

Kthx and Halp voting Paul.
The rest of us voting Kthx.

With two people left on your team, you'd be doing a lot of steering the conversation away from your teammate, which as I've said multiple times, Halp has been doing for the last two day phases where I've been pushing to lynch Kthx. Halp probably smartly sees the opportunity that two townies both visiting Exalt the night he dies as an opportunity to lynch them both off in two back to back day phases and then put the game at 3 town, 2 mafia going into a night phase. As long as they get a NK off, it's game over.

I just sunk your battleship.

[the_paul]

Last post before my 8:00. There are 6 of us left. If the scum team as 4 people, like most people (myself included), assumed, this game would be over. Unless I'm missing something obvious, the scum team was 3 people. That being said, in a game of 14 players, 10 (theoretically) townies including a bunch of power roles, and a 3rd party killing role, an oddball x-shot killing role to fuck up the logic of the game and throw townies for a loop does not seem outrageously implausible to me. Anyway, hopefully I'll be back in a couple hours.

[the_paul]

This was Paul hammer voting Backwards three minutes after my vote on Backwards. The only possible explanation to on I can see is if Paul was hoping someone would tie it up so that if he was losing his teammate, at least they take out a townie too with him.

Lets examine Willbys vote count after we all flipped to Backwards:

Vote tally:
Beast-2 (vehicle,edify)
exalt-2 (jessup, sdrawkcab)
bioture-1 (beast)
jessup-1 (kassius)
ixt-1 (halp)
sdrawkcab-3 (exalt, the_paul, voth)

Dirty unvoters: ixt, hookecho
afkers: Missa, Bioture

10 minutes til vote lock
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Paul had his vote on a Beast, a townie, before switching to Backwards. If he just shut up and didn't do anything, Beast would have led the vote lead with 3 instead of Backwards.

Mind you, this was all very last minute and I wasn't even sure we had time to switch our votes and go for Backwards, so it's hard to believe Paul would switch his vote off to prevent a town lynch and hammer his role blocker at the last minute. No plan for a double lynch including his teammate makes any sense. Could have tried to lynch two townies, but a townie and a scum mate? Why? WHY?

The only possibility I see is something crazy like Backwards had an IRL issue and they decided to pull a crazy move that might win them the game down the line, like now. If that's the case, I tip my hat.

My vote stays.

In my painting, I didn't even address this. Didn't fit the aesthetic I was going for I guess. Exalt, Voth, and I switched the day 1 lynch from Beast to Backwards with literally minutes to spare. As Voth said, I could have just shut up and sat on my hands, like any scum with an IQ above 0 would have done. Also, what was the general consensus as to how the fuck we managed to get a last minute hammer vote on (IMO) the most useful scum role in the game on day 1? The consensus was that at least a part of the scum team was afk. 2 people didn't vote, Missa and Bioture, and never even posted actually. Wark subbed in for one of them, the other sub ended up being the weaponsmith. So another piece that fits this puzzle.

[the_paul]

I just put more effort into that 1 post than I have seen in any others in the 29+ pages of this game. Lynch me if you want at this point, but on the off chance that this game doesn't end with an unsuccessful lynch, pay attention to how many people in this game and spending their entire posts moving the goalposts in regards to flavor. If flavor matters with the timing of when Exalt drank the poison (which I'm not disagreeing with, I just don't understand the mechanics behind it with what we know), then the flavor should matter in regards to a commuter (a role that leaves the entire game every night) on a quarantined, stranded cruiseship where the helmsman claims hes untargetable because he cannot leave his workstation on the ship.

Commuter is also the most convenient role in the game, because at this point the only person who could confirm whether or not Wark is untargetable is a town power role. Which, by my count since I cant remember if/hat Voth/hook/halp have claimed, leaves me to be the one to target him. But theres a push to lynch me, which is another convenience for this claim.

I painted the picture, wrapped it, and put a bow on it. Sorry if that wasn't aggressive enough.

[Voth]

Unvote BEAST
Vote BACKWARDS

I feel a lot better about this. Anyone have a VC? Got a bad feeling this can end with a double lynch or Exalt getting back in the lead somehow

This was Paul hammer voting Backwards three minutes after my vote on Backwards. The only possible explanation to on I can see is if Paul was hoping someone would tie it up so that if he was losing his teammate, at least they take out a townie too with him.

Lets examine Willbys vote count after we all flipped to Backwards:

Vote tally:
Beast-2 (vehicle,edify)
exalt-2 (jessup, sdrawkcab)
bioture-1 (beast)
jessup-1 (kassius)
ixt-1 (halp)
sdrawkcab-3 (exalt, the_paul, voth)

Dirty unvoters: ixt, hookecho
afkers: Missa, Bioture

10 minutes til vote lock
-----
Paul had his vote on a Beast, a townie, before switching to Backwards. If he just shut up and didn't do anything, Beast would have led the vote lead with 3 instead of Backwards.

Mind you, this was all very last minute and I wasn't even sure we had time to switch our votes and go for Backwards, so it's hard to believe Paul would switch his vote off to prevent a town lynch and hammer his role blocker at the last minute. No plan for a double lynch including his teammate makes any sense. Could have tried to lynch two townies, but a townie and a scum mate? Why? WHY?

The only possibility I see is something crazy like Backwards had an IRL issue and they decided to pull a crazy move that might win them the game down the line, like now. If that's the case, I tip my hat.

My vote stays.

[the_paul]

Everyone seems to think Voth is town, but I can’t figure out why?

I’ve read edify as town, had some suspicion of hookerchew all along, generally perpetually suspicious of kthx even when there’s no active mafia games going on.. but if it weren’t for vehicles results pointing to ixt and Paul, I’d be on Voth, as mentioned.

One thing I did notice while reading old commuter claims from previous games, is that Paul is more aggressive when town. He seems a bit dopey this game, but could just be channeling his freshly emasculated dog? One thing is certain, Willby is a fuckin dick.

Now I understand how Exalt feels. I don't have much aggression in me these days (last game excluded, where I called everyone braindead fucking morons 100x). In the interests of remaining calm, how about I just paint a nice picture instead?

Current Phase: Day 4

1. Ixt - Ended up being bodyguard
2. Beast - Vanilla Townie - Lynched D3
3. Vehicle - Townie Watcher - Killed N3
4. Kassius - Town roleblocker
5. Hookecho - No clue if he's even claimed
6. Edify - I think he claimed vanilla townie? Flavor job is waiter I think
7. Party Falcon - Townie Weaponsmith - Lynched D2
8. The_paul - Claimed town 1-shot inventor
9. Jessup - Even Night Serial Killer - Killed N1
10. Sdrawkcab - Even Night Mafia Prostitute - Lynched D1
11. Voth - Not even sure if Voth has claimed
12. Kthx Flavor role Helmsman, claimed townie commuter
13. Halp - Thought he hinted at a protective role? Not even sure anymore
14. Exalt - VT turned Town Cop - Killed N2

Alright, obviously the bolded additions are mine. So to be clear, in a game with confirmed town roles of cop, weaponsmith, watcher, roleblocker, and bodyguard, we're saying the odds are more likely that there is a commuter on a quarantined fucking cruise ship, as opposed to there being a (apparently) 1-shot ninja poisoner mafia role in a game chock fucking full of town power roles. And this isn't even considering any of the unconfirmed roleclaims that those of us who are still alive have claimed.

Since my first appointment is late and I'm feeling like Picasso here, lets keep painting.

Definition of commuter from mafiascum: "The Commuter is a role that "leaves Town" each Night, thus making them ineligible to be targeted by Night actions. By extension, they cannot use any other Night actions they may have.

Because they cannot use Night actions, almost all Commuters are pro-Town.

It is worth noting that because in flavor it physically leaves the game for the Night instead of being protected somewhere in Town, Commuter is considered the ultimate in Untargetability, trumping even things like Strongman."

Trev the Helmsman to be exact. I'm untargetable at night so mafia has to lynch me until they have the votes. The difference is me being untargetable not unkillable so no actions will effect me.

Why the heck would Willby put a commuter on a ship where we're all quarantined? That doesn't even fit the flavor. Good effort though.

Yep, I've been a part in two unpleasant townie lynches, and a target of several. I don't claim to be the shepherd of the townies, as Voth once said. Just trying to identify scum.

Because I'm "locked at the helm"

So we're getting hung up on the writing of the juicy, juicy flavor in the death writeup in regards to the poison (which I'm with you on, but I've already come to terms with the fact that I just don't understand), but we're accepting a commuter roleclaim as valid despite the flavor of the game being a quarantined cruise ship stuck at sea, unable to port. A commuter, which by definition leaves the game every night, is being accepted with the logic of being tied to his workstation, and is therefore untargetable. This is completely disregarding the fact that Kassius was killed last night. Kassius, the bartender, was killed behind the bar (his workstation). I alluded to it earlier, but I guess I'm scummy because I didn't say it aggressively enough or paint the picture bluntly enough.

Fuck me, my vote stands.

[Voth]

Vehicle poisoned also.

What in the fucking world. I legitimately can't decide. It boggles my mind beyond measure why Paul, if scum, would hammer lynch his own Roleblocker. But a scum ninja poisoner seems pretty fucking unlikely too.

[Voth]

Fuck off, Hank. You dont have 'game', Jackie thought. As she reached for another flamin hot cheeto, she spilled our last can of Fresca all over her computer terminal, frying the circuits. The room went dark, and a sense of foreboding, lightly masked with fizzing from the drink washed over her. The noise cut out.

Vehicle aka Jackie, "Leviathan" security was found dead in her cabin with hundreds of security tapes and four and a half empty bags of chips. She was a Townie Watcher.

[Voth]

I just went back and reread the flavor of Exalts kill. It was instant death from poison.

Exalt, codename "Shadow", drank one of the more deadly poisons known to man. It's clear whoever did this knew how to kill someone as careful as "Shadow". The poison killed him instantly- from the moment he had swallowed the first (and only) sip, he was a dead man. He was a Vanilla Townie turned Town Cop.