Mafia 2020 #3: 14 Stories Above the Sea

[Vehicle]

Yeah I was really confused by PF's roleclaim too because when I googled that's the result I got as well: He could hand out a gun each night.

The description I read, though, said that whoever gets a gun from the gunsmith can only use it during the day phase and it has a 50 percent chance of revealing them.

But he claimed to be a cop, even his secret messages had him acting as if he were a cop saying "no results yet" or whatever. I find it hard to believe Willby wasn't clear in his role description and I also find it hard to believe that PF, on his deathbed, would lie about his role considering it was about to become public knowledge.

I didn't put any thought into it more than that because it really doesn't make any difference now that he's dead, except there may be someone out there holding onto a gun.



And Kassius, my dude, I appreciate you roleclaiming and telling everyone what information you've gathered. But in the future, save it for the day phase please. Way less likely to get you whacked immediately that way.

[Exalt]

Where do you find that definition? Sounds more like an inventor to me. A gunsmith is a type of cop that determines if someone they investigate has a gun. Only mafia members do typically. Here's a probably terribly formatted copy and paste from the mafia scum wiki:

The Gunsmith is an information role that can target a player at Night to learn if they have a gun in flavor. Members of the Mafia (that are not Doctors), Cops, FBI Agents, Vigilantes, other Gunsmiths, Paranoid Gun Owners, etc. all have guns in traditional flavor. Notably, Serial Killers and Doctors do not have guns.

Gunsmiths are usually, but not necessarily, pro-Town. They are considered somewhat weaker than standard Cops and are usually included in setups where they can get positive results on players who are not Mafia-aligned.

For more information, see Cop and Flavor Cop. Variants

The name "Gunsmith" is also occasionally used for a Psychologist, but this terminology is almost unheard of on mafiascum.net (it's more commonly seen on other sites). Normal Guidelines

In Normal games on mafiascum.net, a Gunsmith gets guilties on all Mafia(except Traitors and Doctors), Cops, Vigilantes, Gunsmiths, Role Cops, Vanilla Cops, Backups of roles with guns and JoATs that have any of these listed powers. A Werewolf faction should be treated the same as any other Mafia family.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/wiki/Gunsmith

https://epicmafia.fandom.com/wiki/Gunsmith

I used these because his role says weaponsmith, and the weaponsmith alternate name seems to be from these forums, not from mafiascum. These popped up first when googling 'mafia wiki weaponsmith' so that's what I used.

[Voth]

I just realized something after reading more about the weaponsmith role. We may see multiple kills tonight, if PartyFalcon was able to do their Night 1 action anyway. When was Kthx and PartyFalcon replaced in? Night phase, right? We didn't get a phase change until they were replaced in if my memory is correct, so it's probable PartyFalcon gave out a gun anyway. So read this:

Gunsmith / Weaponsmith - A Gunsmith / Weaponsmith is typically a Town-aligned role with the ability to create weapons (typically one-shot guns) at night and to give these weapons to other players. Obviously, the major issue for the Gunsmith / Weaponsmith is determining who is most likely to be Town and should be given a weapon. A Gunsmith / Weaponsmith accidentally giving a weapon to the Mafia would be very problematic and could end up causing multiple Town deaths in a single night (the Mafia's normal factional night kill, plus another Mafia member using the weapon to kill as well).

We'll see what happens, but we could be fucked for that, depending on what PartyFalcon did. They literally thought every possible pro-town person was scum, meaning it's entirely likely they gave a gun away to actual scum instead. This one player might've fucked the entire game up all by themselves. God forbid they had claimed cop before the lynch went through and i got killed instead. That pisses me off. What a jackass. Even when I roleplay my character's paranoid conspiracy theoriest stuff, I don't put in shitty hidden messages and pretend people should waste their time trying to decode them, only to find out the entire fucking thing was a lie to begin with. Fuck that guy.

Where do you find that definition? Sounds more like an inventor to me. A gunsmith is a type of cop that determines if someone they investigate has a gun. Only mafia members do typically. Here's a probably terribly formatted copy and paste from the mafia scum wiki:

The Gunsmith is an information role that can target a player at Night to learn if they have a gun in flavor. Members of the Mafia (that are not Doctors), Cops, FBI Agents, Vigilantes, other Gunsmiths, Paranoid Gun Owners, etc. all have guns in traditional flavor. Notably, Serial Killers and Doctors do not have guns.

Gunsmiths are usually, but not necessarily, pro-Town. They are considered somewhat weaker than standard Cops and are usually included in setups where they can get positive results on players who are not Mafia-aligned.

For more information, see Cop and Flavor Cop. Variants

The name "Gunsmith" is also occasionally used for a Psychologist, but this terminology is almost unheard of on mafiascum.net (it's more commonly seen on other sites). Normal Guidelines

In Normal games on mafiascum.net, a Gunsmith gets guilties on all Mafia(except Traitors and Doctors), Cops, Vigilantes, Gunsmiths, Role Cops, Vanilla Cops, Backups of roles with guns and JoATs that have any of these listed powers. A Werewolf faction should be treated the same as any other Mafia family.

[Exalt]

I just realized something after reading more about the weaponsmith role. We may see multiple kills tonight, if PartyFalcon was able to do their Night 1 action anyway. When was Kthx and PartyFalcon replaced in? Night phase, right? We didn't get a phase change until they were replaced in if my memory is correct, so it's probable PartyFalcon gave out a gun anyway. So read this:

Gunsmith / Weaponsmith - A Gunsmith / Weaponsmith is typically a Town-aligned role with the ability to create weapons (typically one-shot guns) at night and to give these weapons to other players. Obviously, the major issue for the Gunsmith / Weaponsmith is determining who is most likely to be Town and should be given a weapon. A Gunsmith / Weaponsmith accidentally giving a weapon to the Mafia would be very problematic and could end up causing multiple Town deaths in a single night (the Mafia's normal factional night kill, plus another Mafia member using the weapon to kill as well).

We'll see what happens, but we could be fucked for that, depending on what PartyFalcon did. They literally thought every possible pro-town person was scum, meaning it's entirely likely they gave a gun away to actual scum instead. This one player might've fucked the entire game up all by themselves. God forbid they had claimed cop before the lynch went through and i got killed instead. That pisses me off. What a jackass. Even when I roleplay my character's paranoid conspiracy theoriest stuff, I don't put in shitty hidden messages and pretend people should waste their time trying to decode them, only to find out the entire fucking thing was a lie to begin with. Fuck that guy.

[Exalt]

It's been real friends, gg killing your cop <3

I'm glad you got lynched for this stupid shit PartyFalcon.

[Kassius]

What I know :

I am odd-night Townie Roleblocker.

On night one, I had a succesful action against Halp.

Ergo, Halp did not kill Jessup, but someone else did.

I cannot do anything tonight. If there's someone out there that can save me, please do so. Good night, cruel world.

[Exalt]

Says weaponsmith is an alternate name for gunsmith.

So why the fuck did he claim he was a cop?

[Exalt]

Gunsmith

Gunshop Owner Weaponsmith

Support Killing

Blank

Night

Occasionally

No

The Gunsmith may each night pass a gun to another player in the game. Guns received from the Gunsmith can only be fired during day phases and have a 50% chance of revealing the shooter.

[Exalt]

Think weaponsmith result just comes up whether or not the target has a weapon. So town vigi would investigate the same as mafia goon. Does that sound right to you guys? Haven't seen the role in a really long time

Mafia wiki says this, but it's a gunsmith not a weaponsmith?

1. The gunsmith can choose to give a gun to every night.
2. The gun has a 50% chance to reveal the shooter upon firing.
3. Sided with the Village.

[Voth]

I would imagine it's a variation of the Gunsmith role. Serial Killers don't usually use guns, rather more brutal knife type kills, so Willby probably made it a Weaponsmith to include Dressup as a "guilty" result if he was investigated.

[Exalt]

If I were you, I'd wait until the next Day phase. If you die, we wouldn't have results on whoever it is regardless, so useless information at this point.

Well if Ixt isn't full of shit, or he doesn't claim to have been playing mobile games two night phases in a row, I think I'm protected. Scum would have to believe that anyway, unless ixt is scum. In that case, he will get lynched soon for it so it's neither here nor there.

I'll wait though.

[Voth]

Also what the fuck is a weaponsmith, and why did he claim he was a cop?

Better question: why did a town power role act like the biggest scumbag in the game? Especially as a sub in? And she isn't even a newbie.

[the_paul]

Also what the fuck is a weaponsmith, and why did he claim he was a cop?

Think weaponsmith result just comes up whether or not the target has a weapon. So town vigi would investigate the same as mafia goon. Does that sound right to you guys? Haven't seen the role in a really long time

[Voth]

Just saw the flip and sent in investigation.Should I say who im investigating or not?

If I were you, I'd wait until the next Day phase. If you die, we wouldn't have results on whoever it is regardless, so useless information at this point.

[Exalt]

Also what the fuck is a weaponsmith, and why did he claim he was a cop?