Mafia 2020 #3: 14 Stories Above the Sea

[Vehicle]

Great post Veh. But.. I'm somewhat confused. You've drawn a different conclusion that what you've summarised in what you say about Edify being 'Mafia of the Day', and then voted the_paul?

No, I still have deep, deep suspicions of Edify. But I'm not sure he's the most dangerous question mark we have looming. Paul has way more experience in mafia, and if I'm right and he is scum it's better to eliminate someone who is more well-versed in the dark arts of subterfuge. Mainly, I voted for the_paul for the reasons listed above but also because it's early in the phase and I'm trying(and failing it seems) to get some discussion going about something other than the Edify/PartyFalcon debacle. But, if at the end of the phase, it comes down to say you or edify, I'll be switching my vote to edify.

[Kassius]

Great post Veh. But.. I'm somewhat confused. You've drawn a different conclusion that what you've summarised in what you say about Edify being 'Mafia of the Day', and then voted the_paul?

Are we as town, that bad, that we wanted to double-lynch 2 townies on day 2?

[Vehicle]

Good morning Trench Warriors. We have survived another day but it seems as if we are down two power roles (even if we're not sure what one of them did).

I'm going to go ahead and give my brief thoughts on everyone with the caveat that I haven't gone back and re-read anything, this is all from the gut and my memory:

Beast
I like the vote one me with no explanation whatsoever. Cute. Without going back and re-reading your posts, nothing about you stands out in my brain. I am wholeheartedly neutral on you, but tend to be more suspicious of those who don't post or post and say nothing.

Kassius
My dude. First game of mafia. Doing great. Roleclaimed odd-night roleblocker during last night's phase (the man lives on the edge). Based on his posts, his reasoning, and his relative newness, I'm inclined to believe he's telling the truth. He says he had a "successful" block versus Halp N1, but Jessup still died. With him flipping serial killer and only one death last night, I think we can probably assume there's only one killing role left (mafia, nighttime). So his "success" against Halp was potentially nothing more than him guarding a paraplegic felon. My only asterisk next to kassius is how hard he wanted a double-lynch yesterday. Double lynches, in my opinion, are not a good strategy on Day 2. But I am willing to chalk this up to him being geen.

Hookecho
Who? I still don't know who this guy is and I haven't seen him post much. We're at the point in the game where a lack of activity leads to suspicion, and this guy ranks high on my list potential scum for that reason.

Edify
This guy should probably be dead already. Props to him if he is scum for surviving yesterday's phase but I think we should strongly consider sending this man to the gallows. In his post about why he finally changed his vote to something consequential yesterday he said something like "if I truly believe I am town, I wouldn't just let myself be lynched." So true, edify, so true. But why would you have to "truly believe" something if it were patently true? He's a prime candidate for Mafia of the Day in my book.

the_paul
Similar to Hookecho, except Pauly is a known commodity. Doesn't it seem like paul has been posting less and when he does post there's significantly less substance to them than usual? Paul, like Voth, is usually a nexus of activity in these games, but where is he this time? Perhaps real life has gotten in the way, but his semi-absence is ringing a lot of alarm bells in my ship cabin.

Voth
Inclined to believe is town. Was integral to lynching backwards on day one. Also played a significant role in lynching PartyFalcon, but I think we all were befuddled by that man. Otherwise his posts have been mostly cogent and thoughtful. If anything, he's being less accusatory and standoffish than usual, I'm pretty sure he's only told one person to kill themselves this game, new years resolution? Regardless, his Day 1 actions and his general posts since then put Voth in the townie camp for me.

Kthx
Subbed in and thank god, because otherwise there wouldn't be enough shiftposts in this thread. I don't know what this guy is up to, when I think back he's definitely been part of conversations where we try to sort through logistics ("Perhaps it was a poisoner," he says) but less active in sorting through who may or may not be scum. I'm on the fence with this guy. His "process" posts could be a smokescreen meant to help drive the narrative of the phase, or maybe he really is just lending his veteran knowledge to our town. I guess time will tell, but he's not clear in my book.

Halp
Where you been my boy? Another afk player seemingly skating by with very little participation. I'd say more about him, except he hasn't posted anything for me to comment on. Sketchy.

ixt
I'm inclined to believe him and his bodyguard roleclaim. He roleclaimed in the beginning of Day 2 with no real pressure on him to do so. Now, this could be a nice mafia power move to try to cozy up with the town, but claiming bodyguard/doctor is probably the riskiest/dumbest role to claim if you're lying as it can be more-easily exposed then say a roleblocker. Exalt is dead, though, and ixt is claiming he protected him. So, the question becomes, how likely were mafia to have some kind of power killing role, like a one-shot goes-through-everything attack? Maybe I'm just being naive but considering this is a WIllby game, it wouldn't surprise me that the mafia used some kind of "magic bullet," so to speak.

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So, with all of that being said, who do I vote for? I'm currently looking side-eyed at Edify (obvious reasons), Beast (I never trust people who post a vote with no reasoning, even if that vote isn't for me) and the afk trio of Hookecho, Halp and the_paul.

Since it's early in the phase, I'm going to tentatively vote the_paul.

I don't know hookecho well enough to know his usual level of engagement, this lack of activity is pretty par for the course with Halp, but paul is different. Paul is quiet. Paul isn't posting theories or pointing fingers. Paul is just coasting. That is not the_paul I know.

Edify or ixt will probably be the leading candidates today, but maybe it's time we take a step back from the thread and look at what and who is missing.

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This concludes Vehicle's mega-post to avoid starting his workday. He will be checking in throughout the day but may actually have to do some work at some point.

[Hookecho]

actually looking for myself skimming back i will unvote edify for the time because a few names names pop out to me. and this is based off voting patterns.


1. Hooke, d1 throwaway vote like me so i can't say much on that...d2 throwaway vote on Beast (right? i kept track correctly?) a bit confused your reasoning for that but not the most sus on the list

2. Vehicle, d1 vote on beast who did not precisely strike me as mafia-like, d2 vote on PF with a thing of note on #508. Now, edify's role is still up in the air but he was actually a VT just trying to do his job and contribute, this should be a major sus on the list as he knows that no mafia members are up in danger so is nonchalant with either, both being even better. (this assumption is under the basis of edify being VT)

3. halp, d2 throwaway vote on Kassius. Refer post #484. As he said and I could agree, that he is a relatively new player in all this, do you honestly think that he would put together this much analysis on pretty much every single one? Of course, there are flaws within as seen with PF, but several factors are very reasonable and should be referred to. if you cant set aside personal vendetta, i seriously dont know what to tell you other than grow some fuking balls and listen to everyone rather than putting in a two word post leaving everyone going "huh?"

4. paulie d, a tad questionable (just a hint of doubt) that i cant get my mind over at the moment, maybe will look into it later


Individuals I personally won't be looking at too deeply (in specific order):
Voth
Kassius
Beast

D2 looks like a throwaway, but the reason is actually the same as to why I voted exalt in the very beginning of the game - rogue, erratic behavior.

When I was logged in, we were sitting at a double lynch point and most of us seem to think both PartyFalcon and Edify were scum, so I didn't change so we didn't miss a chance to take out two scum. I missed the VC changing.

I still think Beast is erratic and potentially deranged, but there have been so many crazy-ish roles in the game so far I don't even know what I'm looking at anymore.

I'm not too concerned about Kassius or Voth either, but I don't think we can discount Beast just yet.

I don't really know about those other three. Vehicle was throwing a small amount of shade yesterday, I don't think I've seen halp say more than two words like you said. Paul posts a little more, but nothing really sticks out in his posts, other than the fact that they're complete sentences.

[Beast]

vote vehicle

[Kassius]

I've said it 2 times already. But here you go since you're so demanding.

HARVEY, a WAITER
VANILLA TOWNIE

I just don't get why you'd make up false assertations about what I've done/said during the previous day phase. What is there to gain from a townie to do this? Care to share your reasoning at least?

[ixt]

and keep this post (673) up tabbed until (maybe) if i am voted off the island. good luck saving your own hide losing one (and maybe only, cuz we dunno some other peoples' roles) town protective role. if there is a secondary, then there could be better hope

[ixt]

read through my shit thoroughly Voth i dont expect you to fully believe me i expect you to use your so-called master mafia brain to think about all the possibilities that occurred night 2 phase.

[ixt]

well i guess didnt account for time zones but for NA in general i guess

[Kassius]

i like how everyone suddenly became mute motherfuckers and went silent for a good several hours

Sorry, 2am-7am I find it difficult to stay on top of the latest developments...

[ixt]

i like how everyone suddenly became mute motherfuckers and went silent for a good several hours

[ixt]

edit on 2: but if he was actually a VT to do his job...

[ixt]

actually looking for myself skimming back i will unvote edify for the time because a few names names pop out to me. and this is based off voting patterns.


1. Hooke, d1 throwaway vote like me so i can't say much on that...d2 throwaway vote on Beast (right? i kept track correctly?) a bit confused your reasoning for that but not the most sus on the list

2. Vehicle, d1 vote on beast who did not precisely strike me as mafia-like, d2 vote on PF with a thing of note on #508. Now, edify's role is still up in the air but he was actually a VT just trying to do his job and contribute, this should be a major sus on the list as he knows that no mafia members are up in danger so is nonchalant with either, both being even better. (this assumption is under the basis of edify being VT)

3. halp, d2 throwaway vote on Kassius. Refer post #484. As he said and I could agree, that he is a relatively new player in all this, do you honestly think that he would put together this much analysis on pretty much every single one? Of course, there are flaws within as seen with PF, but several factors are very reasonable and should be referred to. if you cant set aside personal vendetta, i seriously dont know what to tell you other than grow some fuking balls and listen to everyone rather than putting in a two word post leaving everyone going "huh?"

4. paulie d, a tad questionable (just a hint of doubt) that i cant get my mind over at the moment, maybe will look into it later


Individuals I personally won't be looking at too deeply (in specific order):
Voth
Kassius
Beast

[ixt]

WillBy need a VC for day 2 phase entering night

[ixt]

Also this. What the heck? I've never even heard of this, and I doubt any others have. You've been introducing elements to the game all to suit your purposes all along. How can I consider something I don't know anything about until you, o wise former host, reveal that there is such a role or such a superpower. Yep I guess I lived last night because of my super armor, which blocks your side-B.

At least kthx's theory about a mafia poisoner makes sense. You, you're just pulling at thin air.

However, even with your stupid behavior (Kass feel free to receive this too), I don't think you're top on the list right now for me to vote on. I am more concerned about others in the game that are coasting by, lurking in the shadows.

fair enough on the third paragraph, as your play isnt crystal perfect either if youre town. less vocal being Hookecho Vehicle?