Mafia 2020 #3: 14 Stories Above the Sea

[Hookecho]

actually looking for myself skimming back i will unvote edify for the time because a few names names pop out to me. and this is based off voting patterns.


1. Hooke, d1 throwaway vote like me so i can't say much on that...d2 throwaway vote on Beast (right? i kept track correctly?) a bit confused your reasoning for that but not the most sus on the list

2. Vehicle, d1 vote on beast who did not precisely strike me as mafia-like, d2 vote on PF with a thing of note on #508. Now, edify's role is still up in the air but he was actually a VT just trying to do his job and contribute, this should be a major sus on the list as he knows that no mafia members are up in danger so is nonchalant with either, both being even better. (this assumption is under the basis of edify being VT)

3. halp, d2 throwaway vote on Kassius. Refer post #484. As he said and I could agree, that he is a relatively new player in all this, do you honestly think that he would put together this much analysis on pretty much every single one? Of course, there are flaws within as seen with PF, but several factors are very reasonable and should be referred to. if you cant set aside personal vendetta, i seriously dont know what to tell you other than grow some fuking balls and listen to everyone rather than putting in a two word post leaving everyone going "huh?"

4. paulie d, a tad questionable (just a hint of doubt) that i cant get my mind over at the moment, maybe will look into it later


Individuals I personally won't be looking at too deeply (in specific order):
Voth
Kassius
Beast

D2 looks like a throwaway, but the reason is actually the same as to why I voted exalt in the very beginning of the game - rogue, erratic behavior.

When I was logged in, we were sitting at a double lynch point and most of us seem to think both PartyFalcon and Edify were scum, so I didn't change so we didn't miss a chance to take out two scum. I missed the VC changing.

I still think Beast is erratic and potentially deranged, but there have been so many crazy-ish roles in the game so far I don't even know what I'm looking at anymore.

I'm not too concerned about Kassius or Voth either, but I don't think we can discount Beast just yet.

I don't really know about those other three. Vehicle was throwing a small amount of shade yesterday, I don't think I've seen halp say more than two words like you said. Paul posts a little more, but nothing really sticks out in his posts, other than the fact that they're complete sentences.

[Vehicle]

Good morning Trench Warriors. We have survived another day but it seems as if we are down two power roles (even if we're not sure what one of them did).

I'm going to go ahead and give my brief thoughts on everyone with the caveat that I haven't gone back and re-read anything, this is all from the gut and my memory:

Beast
I like the vote one me with no explanation whatsoever. Cute. Without going back and re-reading your posts, nothing about you stands out in my brain. I am wholeheartedly neutral on you, but tend to be more suspicious of those who don't post or post and say nothing.

Kassius
My dude. First game of mafia. Doing great. Roleclaimed odd-night roleblocker during last night's phase (the man lives on the edge). Based on his posts, his reasoning, and his relative newness, I'm inclined to believe he's telling the truth. He says he had a "successful" block versus Halp N1, but Jessup still died. With him flipping serial killer and only one death last night, I think we can probably assume there's only one killing role left (mafia, nighttime). So his "success" against Halp was potentially nothing more than him guarding a paraplegic felon. My only asterisk next to kassius is how hard he wanted a double-lynch yesterday. Double lynches, in my opinion, are not a good strategy on Day 2. But I am willing to chalk this up to him being geen.

Hookecho
Who? I still don't know who this guy is and I haven't seen him post much. We're at the point in the game where a lack of activity leads to suspicion, and this guy ranks high on my list potential scum for that reason.

Edify
This guy should probably be dead already. Props to him if he is scum for surviving yesterday's phase but I think we should strongly consider sending this man to the gallows. In his post about why he finally changed his vote to something consequential yesterday he said something like "if I truly believe I am town, I wouldn't just let myself be lynched." So true, edify, so true. But why would you have to "truly believe" something if it were patently true? He's a prime candidate for Mafia of the Day in my book.

the_paul
Similar to Hookecho, except Pauly is a known commodity. Doesn't it seem like paul has been posting less and when he does post there's significantly less substance to them than usual? Paul, like Voth, is usually a nexus of activity in these games, but where is he this time? Perhaps real life has gotten in the way, but his semi-absence is ringing a lot of alarm bells in my ship cabin.

Voth
Inclined to believe is town. Was integral to lynching backwards on day one. Also played a significant role in lynching PartyFalcon, but I think we all were befuddled by that man. Otherwise his posts have been mostly cogent and thoughtful. If anything, he's being less accusatory and standoffish than usual, I'm pretty sure he's only told one person to kill themselves this game, new years resolution? Regardless, his Day 1 actions and his general posts since then put Voth in the townie camp for me.

Kthx
Subbed in and thank god, because otherwise there wouldn't be enough shiftposts in this thread. I don't know what this guy is up to, when I think back he's definitely been part of conversations where we try to sort through logistics ("Perhaps it was a poisoner," he says) but less active in sorting through who may or may not be scum. I'm on the fence with this guy. His "process" posts could be a smokescreen meant to help drive the narrative of the phase, or maybe he really is just lending his veteran knowledge to our town. I guess time will tell, but he's not clear in my book.

Halp
Where you been my boy? Another afk player seemingly skating by with very little participation. I'd say more about him, except he hasn't posted anything for me to comment on. Sketchy.

ixt
I'm inclined to believe him and his bodyguard roleclaim. He roleclaimed in the beginning of Day 2 with no real pressure on him to do so. Now, this could be a nice mafia power move to try to cozy up with the town, but claiming bodyguard/doctor is probably the riskiest/dumbest role to claim if you're lying as it can be more-easily exposed then say a roleblocker. Exalt is dead, though, and ixt is claiming he protected him. So, the question becomes, how likely were mafia to have some kind of power killing role, like a one-shot goes-through-everything attack? Maybe I'm just being naive but considering this is a WIllby game, it wouldn't surprise me that the mafia used some kind of "magic bullet," so to speak.

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So, with all of that being said, who do I vote for? I'm currently looking side-eyed at Edify (obvious reasons), Beast (I never trust people who post a vote with no reasoning, even if that vote isn't for me) and the afk trio of Hookecho, Halp and the_paul.

Since it's early in the phase, I'm going to tentatively vote the_paul.

I don't know hookecho well enough to know his usual level of engagement, this lack of activity is pretty par for the course with Halp, but paul is different. Paul is quiet. Paul isn't posting theories or pointing fingers. Paul is just coasting. That is not the_paul I know.

Edify or ixt will probably be the leading candidates today, but maybe it's time we take a step back from the thread and look at what and who is missing.

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This concludes Vehicle's mega-post to avoid starting his workday. He will be checking in throughout the day but may actually have to do some work at some point.

[Kassius]

Great post Veh. But.. I'm somewhat confused. You've drawn a different conclusion that what you've summarised in what you say about Edify being 'Mafia of the Day', and then voted the_paul?

Are we as town, that bad, that we wanted to double-lynch 2 townies on day 2?

[Vehicle]

Great post Veh. But.. I'm somewhat confused. You've drawn a different conclusion that what you've summarised in what you say about Edify being 'Mafia of the Day', and then voted the_paul?

No, I still have deep, deep suspicions of Edify. But I'm not sure he's the most dangerous question mark we have looming. Paul has way more experience in mafia, and if I'm right and he is scum it's better to eliminate someone who is more well-versed in the dark arts of subterfuge. Mainly, I voted for the_paul for the reasons listed above but also because it's early in the phase and I'm trying(and failing it seems) to get some discussion going about something other than the Edify/PartyFalcon debacle. But, if at the end of the phase, it comes down to say you or edify, I'll be switching my vote to edify.

[Kassius]

Halp's still quiet on not coming clean about my claim to have blocked him on night 1. I can't take about the_paul because I don't have any experience of his previous games.

So just purely from this thread, these are my top 2 suspects :

Edify
Halp

[Halp]

Ixt should have been lynched yesterday for that bs story. Although PFs weird and bad grandstanding was a bit distracting.

Kassius claim makes no sense because he’s been on my nuts the whole game, but his N1 action blocking me should have given me more townie cred than not?

on D1 Voth said his name is Hank, which is only strange because my name is Hank as well. Not sure what to make of that. I’m staff coordinator and vanilla for what it’s worth. Normally I’d think got unlucky and chose the wrong fake name, but so far it doesn’t seem like there’s any reason to need a fake name considering all the dead bad guys so far haven’t had discernible bad guy names. So unless Voth is Zhou Ling, Wuhan Lab Techician, Serial Killer and needed to fake name claim, I’m guessing willby is just being a dick?

I posted this yesterday and seems like nobody read it.

You blocking me on N1 had no effect because I have no night action.

[Halp]

Just want to point out that, while many of you are new and don’t have the benefit of knowing how certain people play this game, ixt claiming he was too busy to submit a night action is so unlikely. As demonstrated last night, he posts all night long and is a very lonely boy. Couple that with his flawed logic of claiming because “town is winning” but then in the same post saying we’re fked if we lynch him. Smells like bullshit to me.

Edify could very well be scum, but so far it seems like the only reasoning anyone has for their suspicion of him is that he’s playing “too townie”, which I find a little strange.

kassius is playing pretty townie too. Going back to read and link to old posts isn’t typically something inexperienced players do, especially when they are scum. Although he’s riding upon my testicles pretty aggressively, I don’t think he’s scum.

Don’t have strong reads on anyone else really..

[Voth]

Halp Not sure what to say about the name thing. I would have no reason to make up my character name whether I'm scum or town, so maybe something Willby overlooked? Not sure.

The fact that we were able to lynch the scum roleblocker day 1 really made me feel that one of the two inactives were on the scum team. The way PF was acting upon entry to the game made me almost sure the she was the scumbag. Obviously that is not so, and it leaves me with Kthx, who has been contributing more than he does when he plays as a townie lately. To me, that means he's more interested and vested in the game, and he is a scumbag. Beast has also surprisingly reeled in his brain dead nonsense over the last few days since the subs joined, which I do not think is a coincidence. Probably reeled in by an experienced mafia player with a strong personality.

If I had to guess, I'd say the scum team is Kthx, Beast, and one of the new guys or Halp. Halp is always half useless and impossible to read because of it.

[Voth]

Also, Vehicle saying he somewhat trusts me because of the Day 1 lynch and then voting Paul and voicing his concerns about him is strange, because he was on that too.

There is someone with experience and a brain on the scum team. Could be him too.

[Voth]

Oh, and as far as ixt is concerned, he is not off the hook and could easily be scum, but strongman is a possibility.

unvote ixt
vote Kthx

[Edify]

I just don't get why you'd make up false assertations about what I've done/said during the previous day phase. What is there to gain from a townie to do this? Care to share your reasoning at least?...

Sorry, I don't remember what you're talking about. Feel free to requote me. This is hard to do on mobile.

What I know :

I am odd-night Townie Roleblocker.

On night one, I had a succesful action against Halp.

I am unclear about a rules thing. Would a successful RB on a VT give a "success" response? Or would it only give a success response from Willby if Halp had some sort of action to perform.

After work I'll look at making a Vehicle-style post concerning the folks here.

ixt Re: the silence, it seemed to me triple-posting and you double-posting as of about 10pm last night (PDT) so since we have til Thursday for a phase shift, I thought it better to see what other people had to say. For the record, I'll build on this more in my bigger post later, I'm also inclined to believe your bodyguard claim. though one thing sticks out to me is that my google of Iocane shows it's an immediate killing poison, but I could be reading into Willby's choice of poison too deeply.

Kassius Yes, you would have been unlucky enough to kill 2 townies at once had the double-lynch gone through. I want to believe in your innocence and new-ness to the game.

[the_paul]

Man, is this how Exalt feels when he doesn't write essays for 5 minutes? I have an immunocompromised wife who has been stuck at home for a month and a half, a full time job, a new house being built, and in the process of selling my current house, and I am still far from being on the bottom rung of activity. Man, I feel for you Exalt. Also, not that there should really be a tier of how important vote order was in a day 1 mafia lynch, but I was the hammer vote on Backwards on day 1. If that lynch went badly, I would have been the one killed for it. It would have been 10000x safer for me to say nothing and stay on Beast. So I've done my part of heavy lifting taking out the scum team, Voth is the only other one still in the game that can say the same.

I don't have any theories at the moment, and I also don't have any information. My role is not very useful, and I've already disclosed my name and flavor profession. I do not believe that the mafia hit was a result of a poison target night 1, because that doesn't make much sense. Usually, poison is used as a way to throw town off balance, because one night is 0 kills and the next night is 2 kills. That didn't happen here, unless theres another killing role out there like a vigi or something. I think one of our alleged protective roles is lying, and I think the other one shit the bed and missed this layup. But if you're looking for some long theory from me where I reason through and flush out the remaining scum members, I don't have anything for you. Voth is the closest thing to trusting I have this game, and that is a terrifying thought that makes me trust him less. I'm very suspicious of Edify, hookerchore, Halp, vehicle, Wark, and kassius off the top of my head. But I don't necessarily have good reasons or even any reasons so far. Kassius, for example, isn't playing like a new player, which tells me he may be being coached. Is that fair? No, he could just be a smart guy playing well. Certainly not enough for me to push for a lynch on him at any rate, but I'm suspicious of him. My point is, I have a lot of gut feelings, I don't have a shred of evidence or logicial reasoning that can lead me to push for a lynch on anybody in good conscience. I'm looking forward to seeing what other people bring to the table, because at least at this rate at least Voth and myself can say we've gotte a hit.

PS Voth I still don't trust you you sneaky fuck.

[Halp]

Yes you would still get a successful action on a VT. Success just means you successfully targeted someone (ie you weren’t blocked), not that you successfully blocked an action.

[the_paul]

Sorry, I don't remember what you're talking about. Feel free to requote me. This is hard to do on mobile.
I am unclear about a rules thing. Would a successful RB on a VT give a "success" response? Or would it only give a success response from Willby if Halp had some sort of action to perform.

After work I'll look at making a Vehicle-style post concerning the folks here.

ixt Re: the silence, it seemed to me triple-posting and you double-posting as of about 10pm last night (PDT) so since we have til Thursday for a phase shift, I thought it better to see what other people had to say. For the record, I'll build on this more in my bigger post later, I'm also inclined to believe your bodyguard claim. though one thing sticks out to me is that my google of Iocane shows it's an immediate killing poison, but I could be reading into Willby's choice of poison too deeply.

Kassius Yes, you would have been unlucky enough to kill 2 townies at once had the double-lynch gone through. I want to believe in your innocence and new-ness to the game.

In regards to the bolded section, the roleblocker gets a "successful" response if his or her action goes through. So if I were a roleblocker and I target you, I get a successful result even if you were afk for the entire phase and didn't have a role, as long as my action is not blocked. Roleblockers only get a "fail" or whatever if they are roleblocked themselves, or if there's another role like a busdriver or whatever that can fuck things up some other way. I hope that helped, but reading it aloud I almost managed to confuse myself..

[the_paul]

Also I should have listed Ixt and Beast in my suspicious of list, since both have claimed to be protective roles, but our claimed town cop didn't survive the night. Ironic since I stuck my neck out for Beast day 1, but here we are.