TW Mafia 2020: TIGER KING - Murder, Mayhem, Madness

[Zeebu]

I’m gonna come out and say right now that due to recent asshole events if town loses this game I’m checking out of tw mafia again for at least another 6 months.

this shouldn’t sway anyone’s decisions but I’m not going to sign up for a tw mafia game for at least 6 months of town loses.

i am ensuring my victory with this post since if town wins, great, I win.

in town loses I don’t have to deal with all the shitty pms about how I should play tw forum mafia.

game set match

[Zeebu]

FYI I didn’t read much of day 1*

[Jessup]

Sigh..

Why in the hell is my best employee drunk. I know you lost your arm in my zoo by fluffy but this is no time to drown ur damn sorrows about it. The Tiger King needs you astute and ur best! sigh. Be up bright and early and drink coffee and think and do input then. Zeebu sighhh

Cud be a damn scum ploy too. that was extremely overly drunk typos

[OverthinkingIt]

I respectfully disagree Jessup. I think PF was confused about the night events claimed. She’s read pretty strongly town to me all game. Then again I love her irl and she’s a lawyer so she’s definitely a blind spot for me.

My gut says PoopCat (who I also love irl lol) and/or Zeebu rn just in terms of helpfulness to town and gut instinct. I’ll go back and reread posts more though.

I feel like I’ve generally aligned most with Jessup, PF, and m_leo’s input for most of the games. The times I haven’t aligned with what they said mostly related to misunderstanding or misremembering or not understanding game mechanics (especially w PF)

[Zeebu]

FYI I finding read much at all of day 1, I was afk the whole time since I didn’t think I was playing.

[Zeebu]

Whoever killed Paul is my enemy for life.

[Zeebu]

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[Zeebu]

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[Jessup]

Players still alive are

Jessup
OverthinkingIt
Zeebu
M_Leo
Poopcat
Kassius
PartyFalcon

I'll just say it now. To me as a vanilla townie this in descending order of who is Town to Mafia.

Sadly I suspect PartyFalcon THE MOST currently as scum. I suspect Vehicle became the sacrificial lamb to throw us off. I have a few reasons to believe this and will go into detail in a bit. Need a slight break.

Remember I am a vanilla townie but am using my gut and logic. Her saying I was possible cult was... lowww This is NOT a revenge suspicion in any way though. It is simple logic.

[Zeebu]

This game has pretty neat mechanics tho

[Zeebu]

Hey guys I’m totally serious here but vote me out cause I’m not sure I’m im if I’m im if I can or if I’m yes gonna or if I’m prepared to help yet I abstain from voting until at least 8 am

[Zeebu]

what the shit. I’m more or less checking out for a bit. It’s 1:30 in thr morning and I’m pretty drunk. I’m kelvin saffron sag ferry I’m another bulletproof townie. Too bad about the arm lol

[OverthinkingIt]

So far we know

Jessup- Joe Exotic (Town innocent child)
me/overthinkingit- Joshua Dial (town voyeur)

I think that’s pretty much it. We probably have 1 or 2 mafia left would be my guess. Maybe we could win dis shit today!

[OverthinkingIt]

Ok good no cult. Who’s even left? Zeebu, Jessup, m_leo, PF, Poopcat, and kassius? Am I leaving anyone out?

For the experienced players how big do you think mafia would be with 2 cults?

Whoever vigi is, you’re a fucking genius. 2 for 2? Just wow.

what do y’all think about the rest of us just saying our character names? I know role alignment isn’t perfect, but my money is on that guy Joe Exotic tried to hire to kill Carol being mafia.

[PartyFalcon]

Well shit. RIP T_P. At least I was right about kthx. Idk why he would admit to the ascetic piece w/o admitting to even night. That part had me begrudgingly certain of his non-town alliance.

I don't think Jessup is scum. Again Voth couldn't have recruited her. N1 she visited Exalt. N2 she died. I don't think kthx could have recruited her either bc N1 I watched him and saw him be blocked. N2 I watched Jessup to see if she was recruited and got no results, which I think means no one visited her. I don't remember who was saying she might be cult, PF?

Kthx could have recruited someone last night though.

Youve got the conclusions a bit flipped, but the takeaway is more or less the same (please see my above post analyzing the threats to town from each scum faction), you’re also correct that I have explained this possibility but now that we know a bit more I shall do it again...

inquisitor (Voth) is primarily a serial killer where if the kill fails then the target becomes the same alignment as the inquisitor; I asked Halp after Voth’s flip whether the recruit part of the action was active or passive (ie whether the inquisitor needs to be alive after the kill action resolves as failed in order to actively recruit the surviving target, or whether the recruitment part of the role happens passively after the kill fails even if the inquisitor has died during that night phase between performing the failed killing action and the resolution of recruiting actions thereafter). Halp indicated this (active vs passive theories of inquisitorial recruitment) is a recognized ambiguity in the role mechanics subject to moderator interpretation as to whether it’s passive or active recruitment requiring the inquisitor to still be alive to recruit, ie we can’t rule out the possible scenario that Voth targeted someone for an N2 kill, Voth died at the same time as the target, and the target was protected and from death and therefore passively recruited to voth’s third party win-con (ie the Baskin-Robbins Cult). See the setup post on page 1 describing night action resolutions if this is still confusing (I also encourage you to ask Halp directly).

However, the opposite is true for kthx last night, since kthx was only a cult recruiter (not an inquisitor like Voth), and recruitment night actions resolve after killing actions, which means kthx was dead before having a chance to visit anyone last night. Note: the reason Voth possibly could have gotten someone after his own death is due to the possibility that the “recruitment” is done passively in the case of an inquisitor (depending on how the moderator interprets the role) with the true night action performed being a killing action; by contrast a recruiter only recruits, which is resolved after killing night actions have all resolved.

Now that ive explained this possible distinction with the inquisitor for what is quite literally the fourth time this game (I know it’s 85 pages tho), can we PLEASE PLEASE focus on finding the mafia and stop being distracted by the cults?

To the extent either of the 2 cults still have living members, neither cult can recruit anymore with the inquisitor and recruiter dead, but mafia still gets to kill one of us every night. If you’re reading this and you’re a cult member blowing in the breeze without a leader, I assure you that you have a <1% chance of winning unless you help find and eliminate the remaining mafia.