TW Mafia 2020: TIGER KING - Murder, Mayhem, Madness

[Voth]

My second post (in the link) is clearly referring to scarlets vote on vehicle, who had 2 at the time of posting. Quit trying to twist it.

Oh, fair enough, I guess I misread it when I went back. Sorry for that.

Still, you voted Scarlet to push other people to make a decision, and then disappeared until he was lynched. Not kosher. Not pro-town at all.

[Voth]

I was going to say that this is the reason Voth sucks at playing as scum, but the truth is it's just be is so damn suspicious all the time, he walks himself into a dead end.
Either Voth is lying about his role, or Halp has failed the mechanics of the game. Barring some crazy role like day-cop-with-a-gun, these are the only two scenarios.
He dismissed psychiatrist so quickly, I'm fairly certain this is the serial killer we are looking for.

I dismissed Psychiatrist quickly because I am Jailkeeper so you killed Exalt, meaning you're not a psychiatrist. And that is an easy bullshit fakeclaim.

[the_paul]

I was going to say that this is the reason Voth sucks at playing as scum, but the truth is it's just be is so damn suspicious all the time, he walks himself into a dead end.
Either Voth is lying about his role, or Halp has failed the mechanics of the game. Barring some crazy role like day-cop-with-a-gun, these are the only two scenarios.
He dismissed psychiatrist so quickly, I'm fairly certain this is the serial killer we are looking for.

What are your thoughts on the Mafia getting shut out if this is true? That the kthx roleblock we heard about prevented them from getting a kill? A doctor got lucky?

If there are any other town power roles considering claiming: don't. We have enough to lynch 1 killer today, we don't need another power role to protect and more information on other players to sort through.

[WillBy]

Wait what? I quoted both the post where you voted Scarlet and your next post that called it a throwaway vote. Fake news bitch. Your words are there for everyone to see, remember?

Here it is again: https://forums.trenchwars.com/forum/...39#post1340263

My second post (in the link) is clearly referring to scarlets vote on vehicle, who had 2 at the time of posting. Quit trying to twist it.

[Kassius]

I'm not that experienced, but nightkilling in N1 with a strongman on a big, obvious target is really not a smart move at all to me.

I just can't believe that WillBy killing Exalt as a strongman on N1 is more plausible than Voth just pulling a role out of his ass that fits the narrative and frames WillBy. It was just a bad choice of role because it creates utter incredulity.

What I think happened :

More than one kill was attempted last night, this game and flavour is too big for just 2 factions.

Voth is scum/third party killer and visited Exalt and killed him.
WillBy might not be that innocent in himself. Might be a recruiter or something else.
Other scum/third party killer had their kill blocked. Could it be Kthx? He's the only one we know that got blocked.

So T_P, yes Voth and Willby are candidates. I still think Kthx is too, just going on the numbers I can't believe we've only got 2 factions with killing abilities.

[Voth]

I'm 100% fine with putting myself on the line. There's only one explanation I can see for how I got a "Successful" result on Jailkeeping Exalt but he died anyway when both Willby and I visited him: Willby is scum Strongman. I don't even know why he's muddying the waters here with a Ninja suggestion, that's just a role where you can't be seen doing the action at night.

[WillBy]

Except that if I was on the scum team and Exalt wasn't on it, and we had a strongman, he would be the first person I would want dead without any strings attached. He is too dangerous to leave alive which is why he ends up dead or otherwise targeted on a lot of N1 phases. Any player who can singlehandedly alter the game with reason and competent writing is a danger that I wouldn't want around if I'm trying to win as a scum team. Just saying.

I was going to say that this is the reason Voth sucks at playing as scum, but the truth is it's just be is so damn suspicious all the time, he walks himself into a dead end.
Either Voth is lying about his role, or Halp has failed the mechanics of the game. Barring some crazy role like day-cop-with-a-gun, these are the only two scenarios.
He dismissed psychiatrist so quickly, I'm fairly certain this is the serial killer we are looking for.

[the_paul]

And the rest of us need to understand that collectively we need to see this through. We have a 50:50 chance here, if we guess wrong today and lynch the innocent one, the other one has to go tomorrow. We can't let ourselves get conned with some ninja assassin bullshit that can get cooked up overnight and let whoever it is off the hook. If there ends up being a ninja and town loses, I'll take all of the blame for shitting the bed. But we've seen this play out before where someone weasels out of the fire with some outlandish story that works because there are 800000 mafia roles in existence. And either one of these guys is capable of pulling off something convincing enough to make people waver.

[Voth]

Voth cant even, which makes sense, he is being kind of odd.

It wasnt a throwaway vote, get those quotation marks out of here. I justified my vote on scarlet in the very post you are purposefully not quoting. The same post where I admitted I was driving home and likely going to miss the phase change. The fact that this is the point you are arguing shows how thin your case is.

We have equal confirmation that there is a serial killer as we do that there is a mafia, or a cop, or any of these roles. I offered 3 explanations, and your response is "nah"?

I'm fairly certain you do it too lol. I remember being the angel of death in your last host, and some pretty vivid kill texts.
But regardless, you all read it here. If I flip anything other than mafia strongman, Voth is a liar

Yes, you are.

Wait what? I quoted both the post where you voted Scarlet and your next post that called it a throwaway vote. Fake news bitch. Your words are there for everyone to see, remember?

Here it is again: https://forums.trenchwars.com/forum/...39#post1340263

[the_paul]

I don't want this post buried because it is as damning as it gets. Town, please click this link and re-read:

https://forums.trenchwars.com/forum/...63#post1340263

These situations where it's 50/50 are always tough. That's when it's time to look back and see how people have been playing. One has been lurking and "throwing away" votes on townies, and one has been out there battling and trying to scumhunt, even if I was wrong in the end. Who's more likely scum? I love the Willby game.

What rubs me the wrong way is Willby's second post you quote in that link. Vetting people is obviously a good thing before someone gets lynched, but trying to move pressure around just to force multiple claims isn't really beneficial to town. Mafia benefits from knowing who has what role to plan out targets and potential protections from doctors. Town wants power roles to stay quiet until they have something concrete. It's not really something damning, but it definitely rubs me the wrong way, especially at that early stage of the game.

[Vehicle]

Holy fuck. I decide "Hey I'm not going to look at forums in bed at 11pm" for one day in my life and I wake up to this shitshow. Just caught up reading, will give thoughts in the coming minutes (not that they're going to be super enlightening). For anyone who's calling me a lurker, you're actually fucking retarded. All of this happened between like 11pm and 8am EST. Homeboy needs his beauty sleep.

[WillBy]

LOL. Utter and complete scum bullshit. The entire post. I can't even.

Voth cant even, which makes sense, he is being kind of odd.

1. Yes, you are inactive and lurking. Your last post was May 25 (which WAS Memorial Day) when you dropped a "throwaway vote" on Scarlet and then disappeared for the rest of the phase. Now you resurface only under heat from Paul. I'll play the Willby game: Town, who is more likely scum? The one scumhunting and actively battling Scarlet for pages on end or the guy who "throwaway" voted him then disappeared until he was lynched?

It wasnt a throwaway vote, get those quotation marks out of here. I justified my vote on scarlet in the very post you are purposefully not quoting. The same post where I admitted I was driving home and likely going to miss the phase change. The fact that this is the point you are arguing shows how thin your case is.

2. Town Psychiatrist is a hilarious fakeclaim. Anyone who doesn't say "bullshit" verbally while reading it... wel, you get the point. Not to mention there was not even two kills so we don't even have any indication that there is an SK.

We have equal confirmation that there is a serial killer as we do that there is a mafia, or a cop, or any of these roles. I offered 3 explanations, and your response is "nah"?

3. Sure, that's fine. If you don't flip mafia strongman, lynch me tomorrow. I'm town which means you're scum, so I'm not worried. That's the only possible scenario I can see unless there is something I'm missing. And ROFL about using the kill text not being brutal as a defense. Really? Just because you might do that does not mean every other host will.

I'm fairly certain you do it too lol. I remember being the angel of death in your last host, and some pretty vivid kill texts.
But regardless, you all read it here. If I flip anything other than mafia strongman, Voth is a liar

Flailing bro.

Yes, you are.

[Voth]

I don't want this post buried because it is as damning as it gets. Town, please click this link and re-read:

https://forums.trenchwars.com/forum/...63#post1340263

These situations where it's 50/50 are always tough. That's when it's time to look back and see how people have been playing. One has been lurking and "throwing away" votes on townies, and one has been out there battling and trying to scumhunt, even if I was wrong in the end. Who's more likely scum? I love the Willby game.

[the_paul]

Except that if I was on the scum team and Exalt wasn't on it, and we had a strongman, he would be the first person I would want dead without any strings attached. He is too dangerous to leave alive which is why he ends up dead or otherwise targeted on a lot of N1 phases. Any player who can singlehandedly alter the game with reason and competent writing is a danger that I wouldn't want around if I'm trying to win as a scum team. Just saying.

I get it, and to be clear we're playing Devil's Advocate here, but you'd really use it night 1 if it was an x-shot? I could see if your strongman as almost certainly going to be lynched the next day, you use it just to use it. But if it's an x-shot I'm saving that for when town is starting to get their shit together and making plans around their doctor. Exalt is obviously a night action magnet, which is why the 3 of us all targeted him, I don't argue with that aspect of it at all. Maybe I'm just overvaluing strongman kills.

[Voth]

I'm not even going to entertain a ninja role. I understand it exists, and I fully acknowledge that I may end up eating my words, but I can't do it. I used some mafia strongman theory bullshit to win a game when Vehicle had me nailed absolutely dead to rights, almost exactly like this scenario. So it has to be WillBy or Voth today, unless something groundbreaking comes up there is absolutely no other alternative. Sucks, because Exalt is dead and one of my 2 other favorite players has to die, but this is the way the cards fell.

I don't have any extra information, but I can't come to grips with the mafia performing a strongman kill night 1. Unless there is something broken going on here, in my experience strongman roles are always x-shot. With all due respect to Exalt, if I were scum I absolutely would not be using that night 1 unless someone shit the bed and claimed town cop or something wild like that. Plus a calculated use of strongman later in the game can lead to town turning on the doctor or someone else and doing the dirty work for them. I just can't wrap my head around using that as a shot in the dark, unless for some reason their strongman isn't x-shot. Apart from the flavor point that Willby brought up, which is fair but is ultimately at the host's discretion, that's the part of Voth's roleclaim that I'm struggling to account for. Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

Also, just to be 100% crystal clear, THERE IS NO OTHER LYNCH THAN WILLBY OR VOTH TODAY. I DON'T GIVE A SHIT IF KTHX SAYS HE EATS BABIES IRL, VOTH AND WILLBY ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO SHOULD BE CONSIDERED TODAY.

I swear if I end up dying in vain because you guys don't like kthx's word choices, I will haunt you or something you fucks.

Except that if I was on the scum team and Exalt wasn't on it, and we had a strongman, he would be the first person I would want dead without any strings attached. He is too dangerous to leave alive which is why he ends up dead or otherwise targeted on a lot of N1 phases. Any player who can singlehandedly alter the game with reason and competent writing is a danger that I wouldn't want around if I'm trying to win as a scum team. Just saying.