TW Mafia 2020: TIGER KING - Murder, Mayhem, Madness

[Voth]

You've still failed to do any work while at the center of the shitshow though. You're leaving your vote on a confirmed townie.
You haven't given any sort of opinion on Voth/Exalt/Vehicle. Unless there's some sudden groupthink decision to lynch a lurker, I can't see the D1 lynch falling outside of those 3 + kthx.

Beast jessup is town, Vehicle was proposing a plan where a town dayvig jessup doesn't use their power and gets scumkilled with an unused investigate and daykill, Vehicle seemed to be fine with assuming jessup was town. I can easily buy that he knew jessup was town before halp said anything because Vehicle is scum.

Oh, is that right?

Well I'll agree with you on Exalt because apparently he is on the same page as you with the two scenarios I posted above, but I find your general sentiment here fairly ugly.

Maybe next time when someone drops a gigantic bombshell on the game I'll just lurk like you and many others did so that I don't get put on scarlet's short list of lynches for the day.

vote scarlet

[Kassius]

I'm enjoying reading Scarlet's posts now tbh after that fake claim stuff has died down. This game is a mess though.

Interesting that kthx didn't role claim while under some pressure. He must have been quietly confident tahr it was going to blow over, but even with votes now angled at him for non-game reasons by 2 people, this was a dangerous ploy. Not even a fake claim was made, apart from some nebulous town power role.

Maybe he wants to get lynched as a win con?

[Voth]

No
I'd sooner scoop out my nipples with a knife than give a fuck about a flavorclaim though

Why would you assume there's a doctor? You were betting way too much on there being a doctor that couldn't be blocked or killed through or whatever than is reasonable. If you are a town doctor, then it's hard to imagine that you could buy jessup's claim and also not think that scum wouldn't have some way around a D1 cop claim.
More like, you were able to believe the jessup claim because you already thought that jessup was town because you're scum, so with that degree of confidence you could be swindled by whatever bullshit they were pushing.


It's a free kill for the town, and it would have confirmed jessup's claim which would implicitly be the same as killing kthx since he'd be the lynch which you seem fine with. Sure, having jessup choose where to shoot is suboptimal compared to having a well informed town do the same, but it's still better than leaving it all up to the scum.

So wait, are you really suggesting that it would have been better for Jessup to randomly shoot someone other than Kthx to confirm himself rather than simply shooting Kthx, his alleged guilty result, to confirm himself? This is the mountain that multiple experienced mafia players are dying on? No, just.... no.

Let's imagine all of Jessups bullshit is true and break it down by both scenarios:

1. Scenario 1: Jessup Shoots a Random Person, is subsequently confirmed, so we lynch Kthx, who flips scum. OK, great, we confirmed Jessup and lynched scum, but statistically speaking, Jessup most shot a townie and now we enter Night 1 with likely 1 townie dead and 1 scum dead, BUT no actual voting history/pattern to analyze Day 2 because after Jessup confirmed himself by shooting a random person, EVERYONE including Kthxs scum team had to vote for him at that point.

2. Scenario 2: Jessup Shoots Kthx, who flips scum, so and is subsequently confirmed, so we go about a regular lynch with the information at hand. OK, great, we confirmed Jessup as town and killed scum, AND we still have a meaningful lynch ahead of us. Not only is it possible we successfully lynch a second mafia or third party role using this lynch, but even if we bungle it and lynch a townie, we have valuable voting history and patterns to help us on Day 2.

Is this clear enough? I don't know what else to say. Anyone who doesn't see the clear and obvious choice and isn't a moron is not playing pro-town.

[Beast]

2020*

[Beast]

woah, where these new users who made forum accounts in 202 coming from?

[OverthinkingIt]

At this point, there isn't much certainty on anyone. We know Jessup is town. (Nice flavor Halp making Joe Exotic the innocent child when he is in prison probably for the rest of his life. Lol. I like the irony and it somehow makes sense.) I will keep my vote on kthx bc I'd just rather not have to hear his self important prattling and trolling for the next few days. I don't know that he's scum in game, but he is irl so good enough for me for now.

[Jessup]

ug edit . Unless of course Kthx flips town.. then we need to have those who voted with my train on him more closely examined. Scum is gonna be on one side or the other. Lynching kthx opens the door imo to all this.

[Jessup]

I think kthx should still be in center of all this. He reacted poorly both during the pressure and after halp revealed my real role. Other people I suspect atm are Willby for lurking saying nothing until right after halp revealed me and how he attempted to say I ruined town which is complete BS. Almost like scum was all on their chat waiting to see what happened. Backwards also is in my sights right now as he took an easy quick stab on me and was on the jessup train. I DID have a train come after me too if we look back. Analize what happened even if it was semi chaotic. There is sense that can be made out of Day 1 with my shenanigans. We should be able to use it in town advantage from now until the next 2 days or so. People really need to look at what transpired and who did and said what during my pressure campaign on scarlet and kthx. We actually can reveal a lot lynching kthx still and back track previous posts of those who were on his side if he flips scum. If he flips town well.. we look at the Jessup train or those who stayed back more. The most info town can get honestly is preceding to lynch kthx still I think. To me those who were on my side are PRO TOWN unless of course kthx flips scum. In that case those voting with my lie have some answering to do themselves.

My vote stays on kthx tho

[sdrawkcab]

Vote kthx

1. I don't want to hear my wife complain about him for the next fifteen days
2. I hear he's trying to lynch the innocent child

[scarlet]

Also scarlet have you watched the show? Jessup was quietly claiming Joe Exotic from the beginning. I said as much earlier in this thread.

No
I'd sooner scoop out my nipples with a knife than give a fuck about a flavorclaim though

Why would you assume there's a doctor? You were betting way too much on there being a doctor that couldn't be blocked or killed through or whatever than is reasonable. If you are a town doctor, then it's hard to imagine that you could buy jessup's claim and also not think that scum wouldn't have some way around a D1 cop claim.
More like, you were able to believe the jessup claim because you already thought that jessup was town because you're scum, so with that degree of confidence you could be swindled by whatever bullshit they were pushing.

If shooting random people to prove your innocence is a strategy, I missed it.

It's a free kill for the town, and it would have confirmed jessup's claim which would implicitly be the same as killing kthx since he'd be the lynch which you seem fine with. Sure, having jessup choose where to shoot is suboptimal compared to having a well informed town do the same, but it's still better than leaving it all up to the scum.

[Vehicle]

Also scarlet have you watched the show? Jessup was quietly claiming Joe Exotic from the beginning. I said as much earlier in this thread.

[Vehicle]

Have you people never heard of doctors? Like wtf.

[Vehicle]

It's not even a my bad situation. I thought Jessup was telling the truth, I believed his name claim and just went along with the rest. If his role wasn't innocent baby or whatever we'd still be arguing over if he should shoot kthx.

I didn't really have a problem with Jess shooting kthx to prove his town alignment, I just 1) didn't see how it actually proved his town alignment and 2) seemed like a wasted action.

He said he did an investigation and it came up guilty. I voted the guilty person. To me, that was a better way to verify because we'd still have to lynch someone with little to go on.

When did I say I expected Jessup to die N1? Never. I fully expect the doctor to sit on him until something better comes along. That was never a concern of mine because a kthx scum lynch would of led a doctor to at least give Jessup the benefit of the doubt.

I'm too lazy to quote from mobile but scarlet where you and I disagree is on speed. I didn't think it was optimal to shoot kthx 'or a random person' as exalt put it (which is why I was suspicious of him to answer your other question), when we'd still have to lunch with little to go on. There was no prime second candidate if Jessup pulled her imaginary trigger.

This all seems insane to me, advocating shooting and lynching random townies to prove a role claim when a lynch would suffice.

You can paint me out to be the one advocating the bad play, but I was more concerned with missing twice than rushing through a kill that was far from certain.

Unvote kthx
Vote Scarlet

Scum would send you to be the third vote on my train. If shooting random people to prove your innocence is a strategy, I missed it.

The fact that I was dumb enough to belive Jessup is a demon I'll just have to wrestle with myself.

[scarlet]

So can the unambiguously gay duo unvote me now that my name is fucking cleared. Sorry you don't get to lynch the mean ole bigot today.

You've still failed to do any work while at the center of the shitshow though. You're leaving your vote on a confirmed townie.
You haven't given any sort of opinion on Voth/Exalt/Vehicle. Unless there's some sudden groupthink decision to lynch a lurker, I can't see the D1 lynch falling outside of those 3 + kthx.

Beast jessup is town, Vehicle was proposing a plan where a town dayvig jessup doesn't use their power and gets scumkilled with an unused investigate and daykill, Vehicle seemed to be fine with assuming jessup was town. I can easily buy that he knew jessup was town before halp said anything because Vehicle is scum.

[Beast]

vehicle> ohh my bad.