What really happened to the Pentagon on 9/11?

[Squeezer]

I've seen video of a missle hitting the twin tower right before one of the plane's hit, so I think this is believable Rogue. The fact of the matter is Bush wanted a war, Bush wanted us all to think that we were being attacked by terrorists.. and wanted us to fear them so he could come to the 'rescue' and start his war against terrorism. Why, you ask? Simple, it gave him a reason to go over there for the precious oil. What other motives did he have? Who knows.

Thats awfully ridiculous and amazingly unbelieveable....No president would ever and I MEAN EVER harm his own country and kill thousands of his own ppl...while wasting Millions of dollars in the process....to Start a war....come on...do u even read what u write?

[ZeUs!!]

Yeah code, when to start to believe those kind of things then you're only one step away from mild paranoia

[Liquid Blue]

Thats awfully ridiculous and amazingly unbelieveable....No president would ever and I MEAN EVER harm his own country and kill thousands of his own ppl...while wasting Millions of dollars in the process....to Start a war....come on...do u even read what u write?

I wouldn't put it past him to give the order to shoot down those planes (even with the passengers on them) but I'm not sure he would let them crash into the WTC. After all, there would be alot more at stake than his presidential career if he did that and word ever got out.

[Gemfire]

PLus, cleanup and building the new TC's costs more than he could get out of by oil - at least in a short time...itd take time in the long run, but he wont be pres then so no value to him

[Torn Wing]

I've seen video of a missle hitting the twin tower right before one of the plane's hit, so I think this is believable Rogue. The fact of the matter is Bush wanted a war, Bush wanted us all to think that we were being attacked by terrorists.. and wanted us to fear them so he could come to the 'rescue' and start his war against terrorism. Why, you ask? Simple, it gave him a reason to go over there for the precious oil. What other motives did he have? Who knows.

I think he's being sarcastic...

I hope he's being sarcastic lolol.

You think they'd make it that blatantly obvious?

[dchao]

Question your government all you want, just don't be dumb.

What's at Area 51?

[Cylor]

No president would ever and I MEAN EVER harm his own country and kill thousands of his own ppl...while wasting Millions of dollars in the process

What do you call the War on Iraq?

[Benno]

People who suggest the pentagon attack was staged by the US government can't really come up with a reason why it was. If it was an excusse to go to war with afghanistan, wouldn't the WTC be sufficent?

Maybe if I had one of these hats i'd be able to think freely and see that Bush SR and saddam conspired to get his son into office years later so he could depose saddam (hes a massacist) and get tons of oil so state side oil prices fall and vendors can make a killing selling tons of chemical warefare gear they don't need or some shit. The black pope is probably the the real culprit. Osama is just an innocent pawn.

[Fit of Rage]

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[Puppet Master]

this is a post from another site

I have to agree with screamapillar. At that time, I was a first officer with US Airways (737-400) and was currently on an overnight in Washington D.C. after flying into KDCA (National). My Captain and I were at the gas station near the Pentagon grabbing some coffee on our way to work. We arrived around 9:15am, being completely oblivious to what had transpired in NYC. We were scheduled to fly that day, back to Charlotte at 11:35am. Our cell phones rang at almost the same time. The company was on the other end and they gave us a brief rundown of what was going on and told us that the FAA was ordering a complete shutdown of the system. We grabbed our coffee and got ready to go back to the hotel to change and then goto some of the monuments, etc. We stepped outside, my Captain (Bill) took a drink and said "Hey look, another company plane". We saw a US Airways A320 circle and land at DCA. Then we saw a 757 coming towards us and we kind of looked at eachother and Bill goes "Yeah right, that will never make it at National". Then we figure out this plane isn't landing, it's aiming for something because its bobbing up and down just a bit closing on our position VERY fast. As it gets closer it naturally gets louder and judging by the sound and pitch, the engines were running near 100% of N1. It DID sound like a woosh, as do all planes with HBR engines when they are 100 feet off the deck doing 300kts. We look around, put two and two together and figure its going for the Pentagon. The plane came in at a very shallow angle, literally flying 50ft off the ground right over 395. From what I could see, the plane did skid into the Pentagon. The explosion was the loudest noise I have ever heard in my life.

Now, just a few things because it's apparent some people do not know jack about aviation.

1. A fully loaded Boeing 757 weights 127.5 tons folks. Do the math. One ton is 2000 pounds. Divide 255,000 by 2000, and you arrive at ??? 127.5. A fully loaded American Airlines 757 has an MTOW (Max Take-Off Weight) of 255,000 pounds since they use the extended range version. In this particular case, given the passengers on board that day, I would say the plane was loaded up to 120 tons.

2. The fuel figure is complete bullshit. According to available data, the plane made it to the WV-OH boarder. The maximum amount of fuel a 757 can carry is 11,400 gallons of fuel. Now, the plane could not have crashed at 60 tons with 5300 gallons of fuel onboard. The Minimum Op weight of the 757 is 127,500 pounds (no fuel, no pax), which is roughly 63 tons (Again do the math). The plane would not have burned 6100 gallons of fuel on an out and back to Ohio. The fuel burn would more than likely be between 3600-3800 gallons. You would be surprised at how much fuel is left after landing. For the 757 it's usually 1500 gallons, since there needs to be a 1 hour reserve according to the AA Ops manual. The calculation for gallons to pounds is 1 Gallon = 6.6 Pounds incase you wanna do the math by yourself.

3. From the report I read the estimated speed was between 300-310kts. Now, 310 knots is equal to 356 mph. According to this video, the aircraft was traveling at 530mph. Now, 530mph under 2000 feet is 460kts any way you slice it due to air pressure, etc. The 757 hits the "pole" at 330kts under 2000ft. The pole is a small needle on the airspeed indicator that looks like a candy cane that designates overspeed in all commercial airliners. The speed at which a 757 starts to break up under 2000ft is 370kts. Complete structural failure would occur at 400kts. There is NO WAY the plane was flying at 460kts or 530 mph. Just doesn't happen, the laws of physics don't allow it.

4. Saying plane crashes "leave a mess" is just being an ignorant jackass. Most planes that impact the ground are either landing or taking off, which is under 200kts. Most planes will leave a wreckage at such slow speeds. But, have you ever seen a plane hit the ground or and inert object at 300kts ?? The plane will most likely disinegrate into small pieces. You saw what happened at the WTC. Contrary to popular belief, the plane was not swallowed by the building, it was actually disinegrating. The hole left was from the mass of the fuselage piling up driving into the building and from the resulting explosion. Pieces of the planes did come out the other side, mainly parts of the fuselage. The wings and tail were nowhere to be found, although the gear was found on the ground, opposite the impact point since they were tucked away inside the plane.

5. Now, since most planes today are made from composite material, do you SERIOUSLY think they would find any remenance of the composite parts (tail, wings) if the plane hit lets say a building at +300kts ??? No, they wont. One, the force of the impact would obliterate them and anything that did remain would be burned away by the resulting fire as would most of the interior and skin of the aircraft. The reason they didn't find an entire plane lodged inside the pentagon is a no brainer if you actually use logic instead of using bias. The resulting fuel fire would burn at over 2500 degrees, since Jet A is most potent liquid known to man once ignited. Thus, whatever remained of the plane would be burned away for the most part. Also, it is entirely possible for the plane to penetrate 3 rings of the pentagon, since the D-A rings are NOT made of reinforced steel. I know that for a fact because before I was a pilot I was in the Air Force and worked at the Pentagon.

Now for some closing points. Aircraft coming in at that shallow of an angle certainly can slide or hit the ground WITHOUT messing up the grass. The only time it would if it were to catch fire. Flying at that speed, there is no chance it would leave a mark in the grass even if it did explode. Also, it can not be a missile in that pentagon footage, since the military doesn't own a missile that fucking big. In the video it said the top of the fuselage was no more than 20ft off the ground. That is entirely possible since it appeared the plane was skidding across the ground, and that from the bottom of the engine to the top of the fuselage on a 757 is only 16 feet. The tail does not count as a part of the fuselage, look it up. Even if it was 2 feet off the ground, it would still total 18ft, less than 20. Also, flying a plane under 1000ft going that fast is very easy, since you hit a wall and the planes manueverabilty drops by one half due to air friction on the control surfaces. Not only that, but wake turbulance follows the PATH of the aircraft and does NOT sink, since wake is generated by the engines. Even though it crossed 395 at what I would guess to be 50ft, I saw no signs of wake turbulance. The plane was moving so fast, the slipstream and ground effect probably cancelled out any wake. Anyone who thinks this is a conspiracy needs to come back to reality. Feel free to look up anything I've stated, you'll find it to be in order and factual.

[Galleleo]

IF it was a rocket (not saying it was) of the US goverment would try to cover it up, I mean rockets being able to hit their target in USA would mean the USA is far more valnurable then when 3 plains get hijacked, because at that time security wasnt even close to what it is now, and on radar plains are supposed to be there, rockets arent.

[Rogue]

this is a post from another site

LMAO :down:

[Cylor]

Good deal Puppet, thanks for sharing that with us.

[Benno]

LMAO :down:

yeah he should have posted a flash movie from another site for REAL credibility.

[Squeezer]

What do you call the War on Iraq?

ouch...touche...but the Iraq war still has more of a point than taking a missle and/or planes and flying them into large American Landmark...killing hundreds of American Civillians