Pitchfork: Top 50 Albums of 2004

[Ezor]

That 50 worst should probably be read as "50 Guitar Solos That the Bands We So Highly Tout Would Never in a Million Fucking Years Be Able to Pull Off, Therefore They Suck".

[Vykromond]

That 50 worst should probably be read as "50 Guitar Solos That the Bands We So Highly Tout Would Never in a Million Fucking Years Be Able to Pull Off, Therefore They Suck".

oh that ted nugent

he was quite the talent, wasn't he ezor?






you're still a moron

[Ezor]

Compared to "Franz Ferdinand"? Absolutely.

[Cylor]

If you're going to use the "they paved the way for newer music" arguement, you'd be into classical music. If you aren't, you're a poseur.

[Squeezer]

wrong

ure gonna sit here and tell me that some of the ppl on that list (IE Snow Patrol, Franz Ferdinand, Modest Mouse) have better guitar players than guys of the likes of Jimmie Page, Eric Clapton, and Carlos Santana?

and it's me that has a skewed view on talented music?

[ZeUs!!]

I don't think that vykromond was saying that all the indie bands he listed were better than the classic rock bands of the 70's and 80's, just that you shouldn't automatically take all music by bands like Zeppelin and Floyd as a Godsend. That said Dazed And Confused is the best song of the 70's and just because he plays his solo with a bow is no grounds to say its a bad solo - some music critics should concentrate more on the music

[Vykromond]

I don't think that vykromond was saying that all the indie bands he listed were better than the classic rock bands of the 70's and 80's, just that you shouldn't automatically take all music by bands like Zeppelin and Floyd as a Godsend.

yay for people who aren't Squeezer

That said Dazed And Confused is the best song of the 70's and just because he plays his solo with a bow is no grounds to say its a bad solo - some music critics should concentrate more on the music

yeah, it's a pretty good solo

[PH]

Whitesnake I can understand, but there is no way in hell any real fan of music can say, with a straight face, that Pink Floyd created one of the 50 worst solos of all-time. I'll admit they had a definite flop with their "Final Cut" album in 1983, but that's as far as I go. And the solo in question was not indicative of David Gilmour's creativity and talent, but I can pick about a thousand solos that far exceed it in absolute shittiness.

That said, as far as I care, Pitchfork has a right to tout whatever they want, just like anyone else. But spawning lists like that one just makes them look ignorant in my eyes. Let the people form their own ideas of what music they like, instead of standing up and saying "You shouldn't like this band because they came up with a guitar solo that we think is bad." I guess their cocks get hard when they preach their MTV-like views to the eagerly waiting indie fans who are salivating like Pavlov's test subjects, anxious to hear what the next big thing is and what to avoid like the plague.

Sites like Pitchfork are the exact reason I abandoned the metal community: they reek of elitism. Their message basically says "This is music, and fuck you if you disagree, because we're always right." Is it that hard to let people listen for themselves and be their own judge? Or are people just too ignorant to make a decision without some sort of intervention? And just because you don't like a band doesn't mean you can't respect what they've done. I'm not an Iron Maiden fan, but I respect them because they paved the way for a lot of my favorite bands.

Knowing who influenced the music you listen to does not make you a poser/poseur/whatever spelling of the word is cool these days. It shows that you're capable of looking back further than three or four years to understand why your favorite bands are the way they are. Every band has an influence, and I would bet a pretty large sum of cash that at least eight to ten of the bands responsible for the "50 best albums of 2004" were inspired and influenced by some of the bands responsible for the "50 worst guitar solos ever". Seems kind of ironic to me.

[Vykromond]

Whitesnake I can understand, but there is no way in hell any real fan of music can say, with a straight face, that Pink Floyd created one of the 50 worst solos of all-time.

actually, there are tons of "real fans of music" who think that pink floyd fucking sucked in every way

the rest of your post was just "bla bla bla in 1998 some guy who writes for pitchfork posted a list of guitar solos he didn't like, clearly they don't respect their musical elders, they're exactly like MTV"

[PH]

actually, there are tons of "real fans of music" who think that pink floyd fucking sucked in every way

the rest of your post was just "bla bla bla in 1998 some guy who writes for pitchfork posted a list of guitar solos he didn't like, clearly they don't respect their musical elders, they're exactly like MTV"

Pink Floyd didn't get their dick hard, so Floyd is instantly the shittiest band ever. Right on. :groovy:

Just because you don't like a specific genre of music does not mean that you have to bash it. There are people who enjoy that music, and they haven't done a fucking thing to you, so listen to what you DO enjoy and let it go. I heard enough of this elitist shit from the whiny-ass metal kids who shun a talented band the instant it crawls from the underground scene and gets some actual exposure.

I'm sorry, but limiting yourself to liking what a Web site tells you to like and shunning everything else is fucking ignorant. They don't like Floyd, so they pick a solo and come up with some half-assed excuse as to why it's bad? Bullshit. Same goes for the vast majority of the rest of the bands on that list. Comparing Pink Floyd to the bands that this site touts is an apples and oranges deal, and this is why a site dedicated to indie music should not judge other types of music. Their views are twisted beyond belief because they live in their own little world where their opinion is all that matters, and they pass these fucked up views on to their fanboys. Do yourself a favor and check out an impartial review site that doesn't limit itself to one genre, just to give other music a chance.

As far as the MTV thing, the truth hurts, I guess. Sometime around the middle of 1998 I very clearly remember MTV interrupting Celebrity Deathmatch to announce that Christina Aguilera, a relatively unknown artist, had just been signed to a major label and she would be the next big thing. Guess what? People flocked to buy her album. MTV didn't even detail what type of music she performed, yet there were droves of mindless sheep lined up at their local music shop to jump on the chance to be the first person to hear the "next big thing". If anything, it seems to me like Pitchfork is a lesser version of MTV, catering specifically to one small branch of the music tree and saying "Hey kids, this band's new album is great! What? You disagree? Fuck you! Get him, fanboys!" Cue flaming from zombie-like fanboys. Ever tried disagreeing with MTV's views while one of their fanboys is in earshot? Let me sum it up for you: "You just don't appreciate music".

The problem is not that I don't appreciate music. The problem is people who resort to outside intervention (from sources who are extremely partial, to say the least) to help them decide what they like and dislike don't appreciate music. They're not hearing it through their ears, they're hearing it through Pitchfork's ears or MTV's ears or whoever's ears. I'll give anything, and I mean ANYTHING, a listen. If I like it, that's that. If I don't, I just don't listen to it again. I don't talk shit about it unless I'm asked to voice my opinion, and when I do so I still give people room to formulate their own view on it. The people that do like it never did anything to me, so what do I have to gain by judging their musical taste? Just stop being scared to look beyond what the media tells you.

Bottom line: if disrespecting people's opinions on music is the cool thing to do nowadays, call me the squarest motherfucker in town.

[Galleleo]

Pink floyd fucking rocks.

[Pearl Jam]

Everybody likes different forms of music. I listen to a ton of underground hip hop, heinous death metal and indie music...in addition to stuff like Slipknot, Daft Punk and "Jump" by Kris Kross. In addition to the occasional rock-out session courtesy of Hulk Hogan and his Wrestling Boot Band.

In my opinion there's stuff that's fun to listen to and truly good music. No reason to be ashamed of stuff that's fun to listen to...no matter how crappy it may be lyrically.

[Xuana]

like Ween

[bloodzombie]

[Squeezer]

actually, there are tons of "real fans of music" who think that pink floyd fucking sucked in every way

the rest of your post was just "bla bla bla in 1998 some guy who writes for pitchfork posted a list of guitar solos he didn't like, clearly they don't respect their musical elders, they're exactly like MTV"

and who dictates what a real fan of music is? Somebody who is deathly a fan of Britney Spears is a real fan of music. She's creating music, and their a fan. Why don't you broaden your horizons past what some stupid website dictates as the worst guitar solos of all time, and think for ureself. Oh wait, because that's too hard.

On that note, whitesnake sucks. Free bird Rocks. Long Live Skynrd