Oh fat, disillusioned youth...

[Andy Rooney]

Originally posted by Annux
John McCain is Republican.


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Ha, not anymore. There is a kid on my hall who I am really good friends with, who lives 2 houses down from him, apparently his dad is a hot shot lawyer and a close friend of John McCain's. He wants to run again, but he wants to do it under the independant ticket. He thinks Republicans have been bought out by crazy christian coalitioners and fat cats, and democrats have been bought out by labor unions and lawyers. So he wants to run as independant.

[pv=nrt]

I want to run as a conformist.

[Annux]

All I know about John McCain is that he was a prisoner of war and that he is against soft money (sponsored bi-partisan mccain-feingold bill).

[Andy Rooney]

Originally posted by Annux
All I know about John McCain is that he was a prisoner of war and that he is against soft money (sponsored bi-partisan mccain-feingold bill).

Ok....http://www.mccain2000.com/

[Win95]

Originally posted by Annux
Uhh what?

I wasn't talking about presidential elections (although you would be wrong with those as well, since the Bull Moose party elected a president), rather more local governmental figures such Wellstone and Jesse Ventura who are independents.

Originally posted by Andy Rooney



The Bull Moose party was a faction of the Republican party who were pissed with certain things about the party <who wouldn't be?> They got Teddy Roosevelt elected in like 1912. Then they dispanded. They no longer exist, thus are no longer federally funded. I will say this though, John McCain is the only chance independants have of getting funded. He better run again, he is the only candidate that wasn't a COMPLETE moron last election. Oh well, yay for the 2 party monopoly.

You say the Bullmoose Party got someone elected? That’s amazing what alternant history are you living in? Have you ever heard of Woodrow Wilson? Sorry to interrupt, I'll let you boys get back to talking about things about which you only have the vaguest concept.

-Win95

[Louis XV]

stfu! all of you! I'm wearing my tinfoil hat and I shouldn't be able to hear you!#!@

[Bigwig]

if only nader and mccain would team up. they'd be the next ross perot!

[Annux]

You misunderstood what I was trying to say (I wasn't clear, admittingly).

In 1912, the Bull Moose Party was formed during a struggle for the Republican Presidential Nomination between President William Howard Taft and former President Roosevelt. The Bull Moose, or the "Progressive Party" of 1912 was a group led by Roosevelt who felt the GOP had strayed from its core principles.

The party became 'official' in 1912, but in fact, the Bull Moose acitivists (not called that at the time) -- not the staunch conservatives -- originally elected Roosevelt into office and supported him through out. He did lose to Woodrow Wilson in the re-election, due to the Republican party being divided, but his original supporters COULD be considered an entire party of their own due to their alternating views on conservatism.


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As President, Roosevelt held the ideal that the Government should be the great arbiter of the conflicting economic forces in the Nation, especially between capital and labor, guaranteeing justice to each and dispensing favors to none.

Roosevelt emerged spectacularly as a "trust buster" by forcing the dissolution of a great railroad combination in the Northwest. Other antitrust suits under the Sherman Act followed.

Some of Theodore Roosevelt's most effective achievements were in conservation. He added enormously to the national forests in the West, reserved lands for public use, and fostered great irrigation projects.

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TR was not your typical Republican, in that he not only supported enviromentalists and busted down on big-business, but his domestic economic policy was completely different from anything seen by the Right at that time. The people that got him into the president's seat might as well be considered a 3rd party of their own, because they obviously were not the Republicans of that era (nor any other era, I think).

[Mayo Inc.]

People who say third parties are dead are the reason there's not much change happening. More and more, people are finding way too many similarities between Republican and Democratic candidates (but there are still numerous difference) and think to themselves "It doesn't matter who I vote for, it's all the same." or even worse "I'm not going to vote because there's no difference between these two people". That's no good. People also say that there's never going to be any change... but they havent realized that the system has been changing... and it takes some time for things to happen... usually many people have to get mad enough to vote certain ways. Anyone hear of the Era of Good Feelings? We didn't even have political parties for a short time. Change will happen eventually. My suggestion is to tell your friends, co-workers, and family members and start spreading word of a 3rd party in smaller levels, like the house, small victories start stacking up. In Maryland our newly elected delegate is from the Green party. It's possible if you get out and vote.

"If you're not turned on to politics, politics will turn on you"
-Ralph Nizader.

[Win95]

Originally posted by Annux
You misunderstood what I was trying to say (I wasn't clear, admittingly).

In 1912, the Bull Moose Party was formed during a struggle for the Republican Presidential Nomination between President William Howard Taft and former President Roosevelt. The Bull Moose, or the "Progressive Party" of 1912 was a group led by Roosevelt who felt the GOP had strayed from its core principles.

The party became 'official' in 1912, but in fact, the Bull Moose acitivists (not called that at the time) -- not the staunch conservatives -- originally elected Roosevelt into office and supported him through out. He did lose to Woodrow Wilson in the re-election, due to the Republican party being divided, but his original supporters COULD be considered an entire party of their own due to their alternating views on conservatism.


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As President, Roosevelt held the ideal that the Government should be the great arbiter of the conflicting economic forces in the Nation, especially between capital and labor, guaranteeing justice to each and dispensing favors to none.

Roosevelt emerged spectacularly as a "trust buster" by forcing the dissolution of a great railroad combination in the Northwest. Other antitrust suits under the Sherman Act followed.

Some of Theodore Roosevelt's most effective achievements were in conservation. He added enormously to the national forests in the West, reserved lands for public use, and fostered great irrigation projects.

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TR was not your typical Republican, in that he not only supported enviromentalists and busted down on big-business, but his domestic economic policy was completely different from anything seen by the Right at that time. The people that got him into the president's seat might as well be considered a 3rd party of their own, because they obviously were not the Republicans of that era (nor any other era, I think).

Noobler he didn't originally get elected as president. He was chosen as Vice President because as Governor of New York he had become very popular and the old Republican leadership wanted him out of the public eye. I'm sure they all shit themselves when Mckinley got wacked by an anarchist and Teddy Roosevelt was suddenly in control. As for his reelection in 1904 that had NOTHING to do with any sort of prebullmoose party and it's retarded to claim that. By 1904 he was THE man for the job, he had a presence that guaranteed his election. His fub up was that he misjudged his Taft, and by 1912 was pissed with the way Taft was handling things so he decided run for office again( which btw went against his original plan of only servering 2 terms, as he had almost served all of Mckinleys in addition to his 1 elected term). This decision guaranteed the election of Woodrow Wilson, and thus brought Americas first and only pointy head dimwit(PHD)
to office laying the foundations for its present day foriegn policy.
Oh and as an ironic sidenote, while Roosevelt got the press for initially breaking up trusts in the US, his successor Taft actually busted up far more that TR ever did.

Oh and as for the whole 3rd party thing, their fine but the reason that people never support them in mass is that voters for the most part realize that having a powerless representative that is not part of a large voting block is silly as he/she has a much more difficult time in getting federal money allocated to their state/district. That why most independents that don't have high name recognition with their voters rarely get elected for a 2nd or 3rd term....show me the money.

-Win95

-Win95

[Spider]

Originally posted by Annux
I voted for Golisano.

He wants to give stupid black people with ok grades a free college education. This way, they'll be making money and helping the economy instead of robbing my house and sleeping in my car.

I absolutely love your down to earth interpretation of public policy Annux!! God good, I wish a politician talked like you!!

You might be a cheater in TW, but you're ok by me!

[Yoshiba]

is your spider sense tingling?

[Spider]

Also, if I may weigh in on the subject of votes being 'bought'. It's quite clear that money is an amazingly large factor in campaigning and that translates into the vote. Are votes bought directly? Maybe not, but does money have a substantial effect? Yes.

As an aside, it's my duty as a Canadian to point out that money isn't as much of a factor (money is still vital, but not as large amounts are needed) north of the boarder. However it is still a concern. Especially with the Liberals financially "cracking down" on non-mainstream parties like the Communist, Natural Law, and Canadian Action parties.

[Spider]

Originally posted by Yoshiba
is your spider sense tingling?

It tingles every time I see a girl! :eek:

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[Mattey]

Originally posted by Spider
Also, if I may weigh in on the subject of votes being 'bought'. It's quite clear that money is an amazingly large factor in campaigning and that translates into the vote. Are votes bought directly? Maybe not, but does money have a substantial effect? Yes.

As an aside, it's my duty as a Canadian to point out that money isn't as much of a factor (money is still vital, but not as large amounts are needed) north of the boarder.

It's not as big of a factor because, honestly, who gives a fuck about Canadian politics? So what if you have to hunt moose a few weeks later?