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    http://actioncenter.drugpolicy.org/a...asp?item=26179

    For those that are too lazy-

    H.R. 1528, Defending America's Most Vulnerable: Safe Access to Drug Treatment and Child Protection Act of 2005, is one of the worst drug war bills that Congress has ever considered.

    Among other things, HR 1528:

    --Virtually eliminates the ability of federal judges to give sentences below the minimum sentence recommended by federal sentencing guidelines, essentially creating a mandatory minimum sentence for every federal offense (including both drug and non-drug offenses).

    --Expands the federal “three strikes and you’re out” law to include new offenses, including mandating life imprisonment (with no possibility of parole) for anyone convicted a third time under the RAVE Act.

    --Mandates a 10-year minimum sentence for anyone 21 or older that gives marijuana or others drugs to someone under 18 (i.e. a 21 year old college students gives a joint to his 17-year old brother). A second offense would be life in prison.

    --Expands what is considered to be a “drug-free” school zone to include almost any place in an urban area, and increases penalties for selling or distributing drugs in that area. (The result will be enhanced penalties for people in inner cities, while people in rural and suburban areas get less time for the same offense).

    --Mandates a 5-year minimum sentence for any person that commits a drug trafficking offense near the presence of a person under 18 or in a place where such person resides for any period of time. The sentence is 10 years if they are parent. (I.e. a mother that sells her neighbor a joint will get a 10-year minimum sentence, even if her kids were at school at the time).

    --Creates a new offense for persons who witness or learn about certain drug offenses that fail to report the drug offender to the police within 24 hours or fail to provide full assistance to the police in tracking and prosecuting the offender. Offenses that would get someone a 2-year minimum sentence, including failing to report a neighbor that is storing or selling drugs when that neighbor has kids, failing to report anyone that gives a joint to someone under the age of 21, and failing to report a college student that is selling marijuana on a college campus.

    --Mandates a 5-year minimum sentence for any person that offers, solicits, encourages, or induces a person enrolled in drug treatment, or previously enrolled in drug treatment, to purchase, possess or receive drugs.

    --Makes it a federal crime to provide "drug paraphernalia" to anyone. While the goal is to make it a crime - punishable by up to three years in prison - to give someone a bong as a birthday present, it would also make it a federal crime to provide someone with sterile syringes (except where it is explicitly authorized by local or state law). If enacted, it would essentially criminalize many needle exchange programs.

    The full text of H.R. 1528 can be viewed by going to http://thomas.loc.gov/ , entering “HR1528” in the search box, checking the “enter bill number” circle under the search box, and clicking “search”.
    My comments in next post~
    My father in law was telling me over Thanksgiving about this amazing bartender at some bar he frequented who could shake a martini and fill it to the rim with no leftovers and he thought it was the coolest thing he'd ever seen. I then proceeded to his home bar and made four martinis in one shaker with unfamiliar glassware and a non standard shaker and did the same thing. From that moment forward I knew he had no compunction about my cock ever being in his daughter's mouth.

  • #2
    Apart from the very last bit, I can't see what's bad about that
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    • #3
      I was actually going to quote some of these and comment on them, but matter of fact they are all almost total bullshit, IMO. You go to jail for giving someone a bong? You go to jail if you see someone smoke but don't run straight to the cops? If you give out drugs at a school in the country, you'll do less time than if you gave them out in NYC? What the fuck?

      The only parts that I agree with are-

      ---Mandates a 5-year minimum sentence for any person that offers, solicits, encourages, or induces a person enrolled in drug treatment, or previously enrolled in drug treatment, to purchase, possess or receive drugs.

      --Mandates a 5-year minimum sentence for any person that commits a drug trafficking offense near the presence of a person under 18 or in a place where such person resides for any period of time. The sentence is 10 years if they are parent. (I.e. a mother that sells her neighbor a joint will get a 10-year minimum sentence, even if her kids were at school at the time).

      Bah, I can understand that they're trying to "get tough with today's youth", but some of that shit is just too fucking strict. Your opinions, comments?
      My father in law was telling me over Thanksgiving about this amazing bartender at some bar he frequented who could shake a martini and fill it to the rim with no leftovers and he thought it was the coolest thing he'd ever seen. I then proceeded to his home bar and made four martinis in one shaker with unfamiliar glassware and a non standard shaker and did the same thing. From that moment forward I knew he had no compunction about my cock ever being in his daughter's mouth.

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      • #4
        Well I honestly don't think someone should get a 2-year minimum prison sentence if they saw someone at a party get high and not run right off to the police. Also having stricter laws in more populated areas is biased, they laws should be the same all around, rural country or not.
        My father in law was telling me over Thanksgiving about this amazing bartender at some bar he frequented who could shake a martini and fill it to the rim with no leftovers and he thought it was the coolest thing he'd ever seen. I then proceeded to his home bar and made four martinis in one shaker with unfamiliar glassware and a non standard shaker and did the same thing. From that moment forward I knew he had no compunction about my cock ever being in his daughter's mouth.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Liquid Blue
          I was actually going to quote some of these and comment on them, but matter of fact they are all almost total bullshit, IMO. You go to jail for giving someone a bong? You go to jail if you see someone smoke but don't run straight to the cops? If you give out drugs at a school in the country, you'll do less time than if you gave them out in NYC? What the fuck?

          The only parts that I agree with are-

          ---Mandates a 5-year minimum sentence for any person that offers, solicits, encourages, or induces a person enrolled in drug treatment, or previously enrolled in drug treatment, to purchase, possess or receive drugs.

          --Mandates a 5-year minimum sentence for any person that commits a drug trafficking offense near the presence of a person under 18 or in a place where such person resides for any period of time. The sentence is 10 years if they are parent. (I.e. a mother that sells her neighbor a joint will get a 10-year minimum sentence, even if her kids were at school at the time).

          Bah, I can understand that they're trying to "get tough with today's youth", but some of that shit is just too fucking strict. Your opinions, comments?

          Yea, that's classicaly racist. Most lower income (ie: minority) people tend to be grouped in urban sectors. There has to be more to it, because that can't be constitutional to penalize lower income people under the thinly veiled guise of expanding school zones.

          Secondly, this:
          ---Mandates a 5-year minimum sentence for any person that offers, solicits, encourages, or induces a person enrolled in drug treatment, or previously enrolled in drug treatment, to purchase, possess or receive drugs.
          It says, "...any person that offers, solicits, encourages, or induces a person...", but doesn't specify whether or not you do that KNOWINGLY to someone who was previously or currently in treatment. Therefore, you don't even have to be aware if you're trying to slang dope, rock, or trees to a recovering addict and you're fucked for 5 min. That also means if some N/A (narc annon) drop out tries to score off of you, you're STILL fucked for 5 years, even if THEY are the ones who solicited the sale.

          Basically, it sounds like just another way that the rich elite are trying to subjugate lower income minorities. Because not only are you locking up the criminals, you're now locking up the whole neighborhood full of minorities.

          Call your representatives, you lazy fuckers.

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          • #6
            You don't think this is good?

            --Mandates a 10-year minimum sentence for anyone 21 or older that gives marijuana or others drugs to someone under 18 (i.e. a 21 year old college students gives a joint to his 17-year old brother). A second offense would be life in prison.
            I think it's wonderful. Drugs are just a crutch anyway.
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            • #7
              Stay away from drugs then and you've got nothing to worry about.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Fit of Rage
                You don't think this is good?



                I think it's wonderful.
                you think 10 years in jail is an appropriate sentence for that?!?!?!

                you are a fuck if you actually would call that "wonderful" just because you personally dont enjoy drugs. feel free to comment on dungeons and dragons-oriented laws all you want, but try not talk about things you dont know anything about.

                clearly, that bill violates our rights left and right. where did you hear about it? does it have any chance of passing? i think many parts of it are a little too ludicrous for anyone to take it seriously, then again, this administration is nuts.
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                • #9
                  They struck down the bill last year, but this one supposedly has harsher penalties all the way around. I would doubt that something this draconian would get much support, regardless that there is a republican majority.

                  My guess is the douchebag who wrote the bill is just trying to get some street credits so he appears "tough on crime, drugs, and n***ers". I'm guessing it's a political strategy so he can say, "my opponent is soft on crime because he voted against my bill".

                  It's just political posturing (aka: douchebaggery).

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Liquid Blue
                    ---Mandates a 5-year minimum sentence for any person that offers, solicits, encourages, or induces a person enrolled in drug treatment, or previously enrolled in drug treatment, to purchase, possess or receive drugs.
                    This bit says in effect: "Mommy, I'm too weak and stupid to make my own choices, so you should put people away for tempting me!" Give me a goddamned break. This isn't good. This is more mommy and daddy government, you know, exactly what they AREN'T supposed to be.

                    --Mandates a 5-year minimum sentence for any person that commits a drug trafficking offense near the presence of a person under 18 or in a place where such person resides for any period of time. The sentence is 10 years if they are parent. (I.e. a mother that sells her neighbor a joint will get a 10-year minimum sentence, even if her kids were at school at the time).
                    Again, protect any minor from being anywhere near an illegal drug! No fucking thanks. Go watch the Penn and Teller's Bullshit episode on the War on Drugs. Watch the doctor talk about how he gave his 11 year old kid marijuana because the kid was puking after chemotherapy treatments, and listen how it improved the kid's quality of life for the last 2 years he had on this earth.


                    The United States Congress, holding a noose around your personal liberty, and doing it with pride and the cheers of people that don't know any better.
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                    • #11
                      meanwhile, the bill to lift tough regulations on the opioid addition treatment drug buprenorphine never went through. buprenorphine is a partial opioid thats much weaker and unable to create a high. being only a partial opioid agonist, it can only surpress withdrawal and is easier to get off of, unlike the current popular opioid used for addiction, methadone ( a FULL opioid)

                      dont forget, this is a free country. we are told over and over and over and over how free we are.

                      how many well written and researched books are there now just alone on the governments involvement in the tafficing of drugs on our own streets while the front is a bogus war on drugs?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Fit of Rage
                        I think it's wonderful. Drugs are just a crutch anyway.
                        So you can't seperate out the difference between what you want, and what freedom for people who believe differently from you should mean? Gotcha.
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                        • #13
                          yeah that was a more articulate way of saying what i said
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by JT
                            Yea, that's classicaly racist. Most lower income (ie: minority) people tend to be grouped in urban sectors. There has to be more to it, because that can't be constitutional to penalize lower income people under the thinly veiled guise of expanding school zones.

                            It says, "...any person that offers, solicits, encourages, or induces a person...", but doesn't specify whether or not you do that KNOWINGLY to someone who was previously or currently in treatment. Therefore, you don't even have to be aware if you're trying to slang dope, rock, or trees to a recovering addict and you're fucked for 5 min. That also means if some N/A (narc annon) drop out tries to score off of you, you're STILL fucked for 5 years, even if THEY are the ones who solicited the sale.
                            I didn't read the bill in full, so there might be more to it- you'd have to check. The link I gave in the first post has a link to the bill in full, so if you have the time you might want to skim it.

                            Now that you mention that last part, I'm going to have to agree with you. I didn't find it wrong in the first place because I thought that it would help prevent drug dealers from trying to get old customers back on the habit, but I didn't even think about the possibilty of someone offering weed to a person at a party and going to jail for 10 years.

                            Originally posted by Sarien
                            This bit says in effect: "Mommy, I'm too weak and stupid to make my own choices, so you should put people away for tempting me!" Give me a goddamned break. This isn't good. This is more mommy and daddy government, you know, exactly what they AREN'T supposed to be.
                            Although I agree with you I think that it doesn't even matter if the person offered the drugs resists or not. The culprit will still go to jail, just for the simple fact that he offered said drgus.

                            Again, protect any minor from being anywhere near an illegal drug! No fucking thanks. Go watch the Penn and Teller's Bullshit episode on the War on Drugs. Watch the doctor talk about how he gave his 11 year old kid marijuana because the kid was puking after chemotherapy treatments, and listen how it improved the kid's quality of life for the last 2 years he had on this earth.
                            See at first I thought this part was too harsh because it states that you can go to jail just because a kid lives there, or is even known to hang out there at some point. But then I thought it would be good to keep parent's drug habit (not talking about weed here) away from their children. On the other hand, teenagers are under 18 and as I'm sure you all know, go pretty much everywhere.

                            near the presence of a person under 18 or in a place where such person resides for any period of time.
                            That's a slightly fancy way of basically saying "anywhere in public, or where people go at all". I'd still stand by saying I like this law if it applies to coke, or heroin, or any other really leathal drugs, but it seems to harsh a punishment for weed.

                            Originally posted by Fit
                            I think it's wonderful. Drugs are just a crutch anyway.
                            Fit bro, 10 years is waaay to harsh IMO. I'm not saying that it's right for adults to be handing weed to kids, but ten years seems like a really long time for letting a teenager try a blunt. Now like I said above, this law doesn't seem as bad when it deals with drugs like coke and heroin, but I'm assuming that this bill is mainly steered at stopping the flow of weed and people using it in America. While I have seen weed personally fuck up one of my friends lives, that's not going to make me think that every single person who does weed will end up like him. Different strokes for different folks, I just hope that if this bill passes, the word goes out quickly so too many people don't have their lives ruined because of one single frat party or lazy summer afternoon at their best friend's house.
                            My father in law was telling me over Thanksgiving about this amazing bartender at some bar he frequented who could shake a martini and fill it to the rim with no leftovers and he thought it was the coolest thing he'd ever seen. I then proceeded to his home bar and made four martinis in one shaker with unfamiliar glassware and a non standard shaker and did the same thing. From that moment forward I knew he had no compunction about my cock ever being in his daughter's mouth.

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                            • #15
                              Oh, and go here :

                              http://actioncenter.drugpolicy.org/a...=Sensen0505-lm

                              If you want to protest the bill.
                              My father in law was telling me over Thanksgiving about this amazing bartender at some bar he frequented who could shake a martini and fill it to the rim with no leftovers and he thought it was the coolest thing he'd ever seen. I then proceeded to his home bar and made four martinis in one shaker with unfamiliar glassware and a non standard shaker and did the same thing. From that moment forward I knew he had no compunction about my cock ever being in his daughter's mouth.

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