Religion and Other Things

[Stylez]

Well bro, I've taken 3 years of Catholic theology, and I just want to make you well known to this.

JESUS NEVER SAID ANYTHING BAD ABOUT NAKED PEOPLE!!!!

The denouncing of people doesn't start until Acts of the Apostles, which is after Jesus' death. But, if you believe heavily in the whole the bible is the word of God, then that doesn't matter. I personally put the most stock into what Jesus had to say, not what the Old Testament, or the letters are saying.

The problem with this is, when you view Porn, or a naked person, you are in a way, viewing them as an object rather than a person, and that can lead to baaaaaad roads. When you view someone as an object, and not as a valued person, you'll have no problems murdering, raping, and pretty much doing anything to them. This of course is an extreme, but I'm only telling you most Christians' defense against porn/nudity. Oh, and lest we forget, some of the most famous Christian artists, especially Michaelangelo Bonorate, sculpted, and painted nude scenes, using nude models, and they were paid by the church. If ever you feel guilty for using nudity in your art, just think that there's nudity in the Systine Chapel, one of the holiest buildings in existence.

As for your past Sex-Capades, the important thing is that you feel regret. You found love, and now you realize the error of your past ways. That's what Christianity is all about, discovering your mistakes, and asking a silent power to forgive you for your mistakes. You are heading down the right road.

On the topic of cursing, we had a kid ask our teacher (who is perhaps the most informed Christian man I have ever met in my life.) about if cursing was bad. He said that while cursing is a bad habit to get into, because it's rude and shows a bit of a lack of intellegence to not find other words, it's not a sin. The only word that was ever revealed to humans as not being able to be said is "God." And that is only a sin when used in the wrong context. So dont worry about the cussing thing. It's all good.

I'm glad to hear you've tried to turn you're life around mate, and this Abby girl seems like a keeper. Congrats.

Oh and btw Stylez, I've read the bible upwards of 30 times, try me please.

Show me where Jesus specifically says, "Those who are naked will go to hell."

Please, I need a good laugh.

Btw, kudos to you...

And I never said it was wrong, I just said for him to read up on it for himself... Basically, I pleaded the fifth on that one... I mean, there are parts of the bible that insinuate that nudity may be wrong, but doesn't say specifically that it is, of what I remember... For example...

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Genesis 3

3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

3:8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

3:9 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?

3:10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.

3:11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?


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I know this is of the old testament and you're not suppose to follow the guidelines of it anymore, but I can't think of any new testament scriptures right now, I'll ask my father tomorrow...

EDIT: Also, I don't believe pornographic art is acceptable, ex. hustler, playboy, and so on... But creative nudity done in art form, with taste, is ok... As long as the person doing it gives the consent to do it... But in all, this is but our own opinions on this, we can't speak on it like we absolutely know what is best for everyone... This is why I just usually tell people to read the bible for themselves... As I said before, opinions are needed in the world, but doesn't mean they're right...

[Sarien]

And I will prove you wrong... Buy a bible, look in it, it'll have red text and black text in it... The black text are words from others mouths, while the red text is words specifically spoken by God...

Well, no. The colored text in those kinds of bibles are usually used to try to show the things that Jesus supposedly said. Even if you're Catholic and got the whole Trinity thing going on, they aren't exactly the same thing.

Either the Bible is a holy book penned from the Inspiration of God, or it isn't. If you doubt the validity of one passage, don't you then doubt the validity of the book? My whole point is that sure, maybe there are some good points to the bible. Maybe there are a few pointers you can learn and use. But to follow blindly the words of a book that teaches you behaviors and things that are in direct opposition to the things any actually kind and decent person would find correct, that would be a mistake.

Really, I think you're trying to use me as an example for your rant...

You're being an example, but not being used for anything. Your behavior is your own.

You're being so hypocritical in the things you say, you tell me not to do this or that, but at the same time, your doing the exact thing you're telling me not to do...

Given with the understanding from the get go that my opinion is my own. Take it or leave it. Nowhere have I said you can't have your own opinion. In fact, I heartily encourage it. If anything, I am 100% guilty of saying to SpiderMage and anyone like him in the same situation that your behavior should be recognized for a cautionary tale of where not to go to. It's kind of mean of me to do so, but it's hardly hypocritical. I think you just are offended by the things I'm saying, and so you've tried to find ways to discredit me. How's it working so far?

You're 30 years old and have nothing to show for it but grief and turmoil, so in your own words, HELL YES! GOOD BOY. You -ROCK-.

That pretty much speaks for itself. I'll just go back to my grief and turmoil, unless you've anything else you need to say about me.

[Stylez]

Well, no. The colored text in those kinds of bibles are usually used to try to show the things that Jesus supposedly said. Even if you're Catholic and got the whole Trinity thing going on, they aren't exactly the same thing.

Either the Bible is a holy book penned from the Inspiration of God, or it isn't. If you doubt the validity of one passage, don't you then doubt the validity of the book? My whole point is that sure, maybe there are some good points to the bible. Maybe there are a few pointers you can learn and use. But to follow blindly the words of a book that teaches you behaviors and things that are in direct opposition to the things any actually kind and decent person would find correct, that would be a mistake.

You're being an example, but not being used for anything. Your behavior is your own.

Given with the understanding from the get go that my opinion is my own. Take it or leave it. Nowhere have I said you can't have your own opinion. In fact, I heartily encourage it. If anything, I am 100% guilty of saying to SpiderMage and anyone like him in the same situation that your behavior should be recognized for a cautionary tale of where not to go to. It's kind of mean of me to do so, but it's hardly hypocritical. I think you just are offended by the things I'm saying, and so you've tried to find ways to discredit me. How's it working so far?

That pretty much speaks for itself. I'll just go back to my grief and turmoil, unless you've anything else you need to say about me.

Offened? Your attitude went from a sarcastic prick to a pompous asshole... I can tell you're the type that changes himself to fit the environment to win an argument... You may speak with clarity, but you have no earthly clue on what you're talking about... Your starting to become contradictory towards your last statement...

It's like you have a schizophrenic personality or something...

Oh yes, and it specifically says in the bible (in the index or appendix) that the red text is the words of God... Meaning, an Apostle or even Jesus could've been speaking, but it was God speaking through them...

[Tone]

why dont you just have a nice long debate about santa VS the tooth fairy

[Tone]

Edited letter for styles

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Dear styles,

I do need some advice from you regarding some elements of God's Laws and how best to follow them.


1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in
Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanness - Lev.15:19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9.

The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2. clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev.11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?

7. Lev.21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

[Squeezer]

Or how about we make up cock-eyed theories about how everything in the world is a conspiracy.

I'd put my faith into christianity far before I'd believe a fucking word that ever comes outta your mouth.

[Stylez]

^^ Agrees

[DoTheFandango]

Who cares?

God is Dead.

[Tone]

answer the questions styles and other bible followers

[Squeezer]

answer the questions styles and other bible followers

those are all old testament verses.

they are outdated.

the word of christ/ten commandments > all other things in the bible

[Stylez]

answer the questions styles and other bible followers

Why do you want our opinions on this? You ask yourself those questions, formulate your own opinions on them... You're just trying to find a reason not to... But that's you, your life, good luck with it...

[Stylez]

Who cares?

God is Dead.

Kill yourself and find out...

[Theif of Time]

God is not alive in the sense that we know it. The scientific method for determining whether a being is living or not follows certain criteria. I can't remember them all, but here are what I can remember.
A living being must eat. (While I've never heard anyone claim that god ate anything/anyone)
A living being must excrete. (Holy shit comes to mind)
A living being must reproduce. (Ok, so he does have a son. )
Theres about 7 or 8 of them, and something is defined as not living if it doesn't fit any one of them.
So, by scientific method, God is not living. Nor is he dead. (Perhaps he's some sort of zombie god)

And Tone, (I've heard all those before, they must be circulating the interweb) they are all old testament. No-one here follows old testament to the word. BTW, I'm interested to know, are any of you local christians the sort who believe that the world is 6000 years old? If you do, I'd love to hear your reasoning.

[Stylez]

True... Me and my sister have had debates on that subject before... We basically figured out a way for religion and the evolution theory to coexist with one another... Same with the big bang theory... But yet again, those are just theories, which are no more than well educated opinions...

This is where I couldn't careless one way or the other, it wont further my education nor my faith, so it doesn't apply to me... People will speculate on this forever, but never truly know...

[Theif of Time]

Whats worse, they'll probably fight wars over it.
Tsk tsk tsk.