Religion and Other Things

[Tone]

jesus never existed; if styles was born in arabia he would be talking about the Koran; relying on a book or savior for spiritual development makes no sense, its not even universally accessible, you have to be deluded to think otherwise, case closed.

[Stylez]

Ok, answer me this Tone...

You believe time began some where, correct?
You believe the universe had to of been created some how, correct?
You believe in the Big Bang Theory?
Do you believe in interplanetary dimensions?
Do you believe in Aliens?


Do you believe something can come from nothing?


Why am I asking you all these questions? Well, ask yourself this... If time had to begin some where, how did two atoms form out of nothing to collide into each other to form the Big Bang?

How was there even a universe if nothing or no one was here to create it? How can aliens create it, when the aliens never existed? How can someone or something from another dimension create us, when they never existed either?

I know what you're going to ask, where did God (or any deity for that matter) come from?

The best explanation of this that I can give you is... I don't know... But I do know that I'd rather believe in a entity such as God than anything you can come up with... Now, if you can determine a better solution, avoiding everything I already covered or elaborating further on them, by all means, intrigue me... I've thought about this stuff for a very long time, let's see what Mr. Tone can come up with...

[Cops]

I love people who can separate beliefs and facts and leave the window of possibility open, I also don't like when people act like they know someone's wishes when all they have is a frail old book which was most likely created and edited by normal human beings.

Stylez, there's a lot of ground to cover and maybe I'm just tired but reading your posts gives me a massive fucking headache, I think you're an idiot and there's not much else I can say.

[Stylez]

Says the guy who's never said anything positive towards me... It's all cool... You're a moronic imbecile in my book as well...

[Fallen Angel]

this quote right here is the main reason why people gravitate toward religion and faith. most humans cannot stand the thought that their life is ultimately purposeless and moot. we must be more important than everything else. I, being an athiest believe that there is no point or ultimate reason why we are alive. we are alive none the less, so you might as well make the best of it and live your life to the fullest... i dont understand why that has to be so dismal. i dont spend my days in a depressed state because im going to die someday.

Agreed.
God and the Devil, heaven and hell, good and evil, these are just concepts that exist soley in our minds. Born out of a necessity to be part of something bigger than ourselves, to find a deeper meaning to our lives, to explain the unexplainable, or simply because we can't accept our own mortality.

On more then one occasion I've heard religious people tell me how my life can't possibly be complete without accepting god in to my life; to fill a void that, for me, doesn't exist. Instead of trusting and confiding in a figment of my own imagination I'd rather turn to the people close to me.
In my opinion, people who turn to their God instead of their loved ones, are the ones with void in their lives, which they are desperatly trying to fill by turning to religion.

[Theif of Time]

jesus never existed; if styles was born in arabia he would be talking about the Koran; relying on a book or savior for spiritual development makes no sense, its not even universally accessible, you have to be deluded to think otherwise, case closed.

Tone, take a course in human psychology, you will soon learn that people like to believe in religion. If nothing else, it takes away some of the pain, the futileness of existance. It is a human thing, a weakness if you will, a strength in other cases. You are pointing to things and calling them weaknesses: They are in reality strengths.
Have you ever been depressed? Has anything cheered you up from that? I've been depressed quite a lot recently, but due to my own prejudices I have resisted resorting to religion. It has never, and I presume never will be, my thing.
I like to think that there is hope.
Hope is a logical fallacy; why believe in something when there are slim chances it will happen?
But it is a human fallacy; and hope, as in the story of pandora's box, is the last and final barrier before oblivion and submission to negative feelings.
You have heard the saying: never give up hope?
That is why people turn to religion (and spirituality): it gives them hope when logic cannot. Can you, using logic alone, deduce a solution to all the worlds problems? Why is it that so many charitable organisations are christian, therefore religious, organisations? They don't just help christians, its not simply a case of helping out members of their own faith.

The proof determining Jesus never existed is indeterminate at best. There are historical documents recording the existance of a prophet who answers to the description given of jesus and his acts.
You cannot be sure of the existance, or non-existance, without faith. Some have absolute faith that Jesus existed, you seem to have absolute faith that he never existed. It defies logic, for how can you know of events that happened over two thousand years ago? Have you developed a time machine, defeated the laws of physics? Tell us, what is the nature of causality? And If you have a time machine, why are you here? Shouldn't the whole world know about this?
Follow the path of the Agnostic. Doubt everything, but do not discount it.

On more then one occasion I've heard religious people tell me how my life can't possibly be complete without accepting god in to my life; to fill a void that, for me, doesn't exist. Instead of trusting and confiding in a figment of my own imagination I'd rather turn to the people close to me.
In my opinion, people who turn to their God instead of their loved ones, are the ones with void in their lives, which they are desperatly trying to fill by turning to religion.

So far I've resisted turning to God, people I find much more comforting. To each his own, I guess. I would much rather have a hug than pray. Human warmth seems so much more divine when it is needed. But then, I've never truly experienced God, If I even can.

[Superted]

jesus never existed

Why don't you do some research first before you come to a blind conclusion, that means looking at both sides of an argument and not googling for 'jesus conspiracy'.

[Theif of Time]

He's taking it completely on faith that Jesus never existed. A complete polar opposite to many christians today, which is perhaps why he does it, out of spite.

[Cops]

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[Kolar]

I ask myself questions everyday, you're making me sound like I'm some repressed christian geek... Dude, I'm not a christian (at the moment), I don't attend church, but I know I'm not perfect and I have to work on that...

All I am saying to you people, that you're taking so offensively is to open a book and read it, that is all... How hard is this to follow?

But, you're still not showing why you believe in what you do, what source it came from, what thoughts went through your head while you formulated your opinion on these things, nothing... You're just making endless excusses and it's getting rather tiresome...

Everything I believe in and know is not organized or from a single source. That makes it no more less valid then your own. It's not an exucuss, I'm not listening to you say "read the bible" then responding. If the bible could give me insight other sources lack then I would read it. It is a collection of many stories so when I'm looking for information that has been tested, examined, and found true... the bible is not really a source to be looking at. I am not looking for faith or religion, just knowledge. Faith has to be a part of our existance but I would rather formulate that on my own, I'm not looking for someone to tell me what to believe.

[gerry]

Who cares?

God is Dead.

God never died. Unless you believe Prophet Isa (jesus) is a god.

[gerry]

jesus never existed; if styles was born in arabia he would be talking about the Koran; relying on a book or savior for spiritual development makes no sense, its not even universally accessible, you have to be deluded to think otherwise, case closed.

You don't have to be from "Arabia" to read the Qu'ran. You make no sense with anything you say Tone, so I don't even know how any opinion of yours can be valid at at all.

[Fallen Angel]

You don't have to be from "Arabia" to read the Qu'ran. You make no sense with anything you say Tone, so I don't even know how any opinion of yours can be valid at at all.

Well he does have a point, sort of.
There is a clear link between religion, topography, culture and society.
Most, if not all, countries have a dominant religion, which greatly influences the culture and society of that region. It's fair to assume that a person growing up in such an enviroment will be far more likely to conform to that dominant religion. It's my opinion that religion is taught (to a point), and not so much of a personal choice. Certainly it's entirely possible for a person to deviate from the "norm" and conform to some other religion (or none at all), but cultural and social pressure greatly inhibit such a choice.

[Liquid Blue]

On more then one occasion I've heard religious people tell me how my life can't possibly be complete without accepting god in to my life; to fill a void that, for me, doesn't exist. Instead of trusting and confiding in a figment of my own imagination I'd rather turn to the people close to me.
In my opinion, people who turn to their God instead of their loved ones, are the ones with void in their lives, which they are desperatly trying to fill by turning to religion.

Um I actually don't know many people that are very religious that turn their backs on their loved ones- quite the contrary, in fact. Most religious people that I've encountered have really close-knit families and take care of and watch out for their loved ones very much. The way I see it, their belief is that God would want them to care for their loved ones, and not turn them away or turn away from them.

Now I know there are some fanatics that put their loved ones in danger and do so "in the name of God" or because they think ' God's Will decreed it"- but they're the extreme and few in number. Not only that, I just think they are mentally disturbed people who just use religion as an excuse for their crimes.

[SpiderMage]

One thing that I have wondered about after reading Genisis is, the Garden of Eden was supposed to have been in the Mesopetamia(sp?)/Babylon area.. however the kingdom/culture that lived there were Polythesist(believe in more than one God)... but we direct, able to connect the line straight across, descendants of Adam and Eve... so wouldn't they know that God was well... only one?