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  • All y'all are going to hell

    An interesting thing concerning the unconditional love of God.... I don't believe that God unconditionally loves everyone. God has set apart his people to save. He has done everything for his people to secure saving grace. No strings, no conditions. Respond as you will, do as you will. But God has paid the price of ultimate justice to restore the broken relationship with his people. I believe in the Calvinist views that God died for (and unconditionally loves) only his chosen people. The rest, sadly, have not and will not receive the grace of God.

    This is difficult because it means that the majority of people are destined for hell and do not have a chance to go to heaven. In my mind and my theology, it makes more sense to me that God has chosen specifically to save some and specifically not others, rather than that God loves all yet is powerless to save them (except that they receive Christ). It makes no sense to me that if God would desire with all his heart to save me, but if I decide not to be saved, then I will be lost. And in the end, if we as sinners have no chance but to go to hell, we have only received our just punishment.

    In church, we are often taught that there is a step of faith that *we* take to receive God. But I think this is a simplification of reality. The reality is that God gives all grace and all strength. Without God we are powerless- not able even to respond to his call.

    Like Newtonian physics which is accurate at large scales, the closer you examine and the more precise your measurements, you find that quantum mechanics, special relativity, and other theories must be used to describe the expanding understanding of the world as we know it. All the while there is a sneaking suspicion that there is indeed a theory of everything that explains both things more simply and more beautifully than what we have previously understood. There is a paradox there concerning God that doesn't fully make sense either way right now but needs more thought and reflection by some smart people.

    It's interesting to think about for me because it is still a topic of debate and it is, in a way, very central to what I believe.

  • #2
    God didn't magic me that extras £5 I needed in my wallet tonight so God owes me £5
    Originally posted by Facetious
    edit: (Money just PMed me his address so I can go to Houston and fight him)

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    • #3
      If god cant beat Ninja Gaiden on Extreme Hard mode and only the tester guy can, does that mean that the tester guy is better then god? :fear:

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      • #4
        Let's say you had some children, would you not cherish and love them the same?
        Plus, would you give your only son for people you don't like?

        My beliefs are sort of on the opposite end of your spectrum geekbot, as I don't even believe in a hell, God loves us too much to see us suffer eternally.
        Last edited by Superted; 10-04-2005, 04:24 AM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Disliked
          My beliefs are sort of on the opposite end of your spectrum geekbot, as I don't even believe in a hell, God loves us too much to see us suffer eternally.
          dont evil have to exist, if the good exists? to ballance out the universe?
          good vs evil
          god vs devil
          heaven vs hell
          Throughout time, there’s been
          crimes, throughout our history
          But not as great, as the one of late, affecting you and me
          Once a nation proud and free, and now we’re weeping sorrow’s tears
          Tragedy’s approaching, it’s worse than all your fears

          Come on my countrymen
          Come on and take a stand
          Don’t let ‘em take away your land

          the Wenger bus is coming
          and all the kids are running
          from London to Manchester
          cos he's a child molester


          fuck islam

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          • #6
            Zeus, I'm not God but I can spot you 5 if you need it.

            Disliked, I believe that justice is a part of God's character as much as love is. I guess it depends if you believe the Bible when it says that all are sinners and fall short of the glory of God. If you do, then it is right that we are separated from from the glory of God for an eternity.

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            • #7
              Without good there could be no evil, so it must be good to be evil sometimes!
              South park thought me sumthing!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by eehh
                dont evil have to exist, if the good exists? to ballance out the universe?
                good vs evil
                god vs devil
                heaven vs hell
                Liverpool vs Everton?
                Jarlson of> if this game was a girl i would jerk off to it every night

                nopcode> sometimes get mates round, have a few beers and play this yes
                oNe-t> YEAH
                nopcode> before going out
                funfunfun> god the fun never stops does it

                MageWarrior> I'm so sexy, frog makes me lapdance for him daily

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                • #9
                  hot vs cold,
                  P H vs T0NE
                  black vs white...
                  matter vs anti-matter
                  up vs down
                  order vs chaos
                  [abritrary console] vs [another arbitrary console]

                  Originally posted by Disliked
                  Imagine a world without morals... it would be like the tw community
                  +++ Divide By Cucumber Error. Please Reinstall Universe And Reboot +++

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                  • #10
                    I'm going to hell, who's coming with me?

                    ahaha oh god I just quoted an Eminem song that's like five years old

                    anyway

                    I'm too tired to read your post but I've probably already heard it before, so I'll just say if God didn't care about people, then I doubt there would be so many followers of the Christian religion.

                    3:Mega Newbie> bam ashlee whats wrong taking nude pictures???
                    3:Mega Newbie> its an art!!!!!!!!
                    3:Mega Newbie> only jealous girls and gays dont like it!!

                    -

                    1:megaman89> WOW IF U WERE TRAPPED IN A FIRE I WOULD RUN AND SAVE U ASH
                    1:Cape> then ud throw her back when she says she still isnt givin it up

                    -

                    tim> .?squad tim
                    BAM__ Ashl> ?squad tim
                    Squad: timo<3ashlee

                    -

                    MODERATOR WARNING: bam__ Ashlee is a sex machine -Mithrandia <ER>

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by geekbot
                      Zeus, I'm not God but I can spot you 5 if you need it.
                      Paypal itwasabadideatopostmypaypalemail@address.com
                      Last edited by ZeUs!!; 10-04-2005, 09:07 PM.
                      Originally posted by Facetious
                      edit: (Money just PMed me his address so I can go to Houston and fight him)

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by scumbag
                        Liverpool vs Everton?
                        more like tottenham vs arsen*l
                        Throughout time, there’s been
                        crimes, throughout our history
                        But not as great, as the one of late, affecting you and me
                        Once a nation proud and free, and now we’re weeping sorrow’s tears
                        Tragedy’s approaching, it’s worse than all your fears

                        Come on my countrymen
                        Come on and take a stand
                        Don’t let ‘em take away your land

                        the Wenger bus is coming
                        and all the kids are running
                        from London to Manchester
                        cos he's a child molester


                        fuck islam

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                        • #13
                          1) Why the fuck do you care about English football that much?
                          2) Why the fuck have you got an Irish dissident chant in your signiture?
                          Originally posted by Facetious
                          edit: (Money just PMed me his address so I can go to Houston and fight him)

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                          • #14
                            i spoke to sini about this agggeeesss ago, and she sed im bound to go to heaven

                            Edit: i wonder if heaven got a ghetto?!
                            Last edited by Golden Sun 1; 10-05-2005, 03:22 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Geekbot, shut the fuck up, you're wrong.
                              The pleasure's all mine.

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