The Hedonistic Imperative Manifesto

[Krusnik]

Ashlee is left handed. T0ne pain is one of natures way's of telling us something is terribly wrong. Let me put it this way, if a baby sees a fire, it'll naturally think its cool, and try to touch it. Now if it can't experience pain it'll most likely kill/burn itself, because it doesn't know that the fire is hurting it. Pain makes love stronger, helps us enjoy, makes us appreciate everything around us, and inspires artists, and actors of all sorts. I think pain killers are good enough for us. What people like him should be worrying about is how to get rid of MENTAL pain without the use of drugs.

[Ashlee]

Ashlee is left handed. T0ne pain is one of natures way's of telling us something is terribly wrong. Let me put it this way, if a baby sees a fire, it'll naturally think its cool, and try to touch it. Now if it can't experience pain it'll most likely kill/burn itself. Pain makes love stronger, helps us enjoy, makes us appreciate everything around us, and inspires artists, and actors of all sorts. I think pain killers are good enough for us. What people like him should be worrying about is how to get rid of MENTAL pain without the use of drugs.

What makes you think I'm left-handed?

And also I have no clue what you were trying to say with that post except you take too many pain-killers

[Saturn V]

but can you at least read the dude's fucking website before you attack him

No.

[PH]

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The fuck is with your sig? Tone ain't my kid.

[Krusnik]

I'm ambidextrous.

And also I have no clue what you were trying to say with that post except you take too many pain-killers

Well you write very neatly......... As for my post I don't have too much of an idea of what I was laking aoubt.

[Blanke]

I do.

Yours was sort of an extension of mine.

Don't let them sway you.

And stay away from those with estrogen. They always win.

(everyone has estrogen and testosterone in him/her)

[Ashlee]

I am not fucking Tone's mother

[Krusnik]

I do.

Yours was sort of an extension of mine.

Don't let them sway you.

And stay away from those with estrogen. They always win.

(everyone has estrogen and testosterone in him/her)

Oh so I'm not sugar high. Good stuff. I'm conservative on these kinds of matters mainly because I'm religous. FFS T0ne work on your grammar.

[R1pp3r]

Pain is just a weakness leaving the body.

[Tone]

Ashlee is left handed. T0ne pain is one of natures way's of telling us something is terribly wrong. Let me put it this way, if a baby sees a fire, it'll naturally think its cool, and try to touch it. Now if it can't experience pain it'll most likely kill/burn itself, because it doesn't know that the fire is hurting it. Pain makes love stronger, helps us enjoy, makes us appreciate everything around us, and inspires artists, and actors of all sorts. I think pain killers are good enough for us. What people like him should be worrying about is how to get rid of MENTAL pain without the use of drugs.

there is no method of getting rid of mental pain without altering your biology. you can try until you drop dead. i fail to see how it makes love stronger either, other than missing someone, there has to be better ways of making love stronger than to suffer. pain makes you appreciate everything around you? more like destroys everything around you and many people's will to live. helps you enjoy? no destroys all enjoyment, leaves little or no motivation or will. inspires? not if its intense enough, then it simply dysfunctions

[Cops]

AND THEY SAID SMOKING CRACK WAS FOR THE RICH.

[Blanke]

Oh so I'm not sugar high. Good stuff. I'm conservative on these kinds of matters mainly because I'm religous. FFS T0ne work on your grammar.

I don't think this kind of matter may be deemed anti-religious or anything, although I can see how you'd approach it from a religious viewpoint.

I'm for altering genes if it helps humans: deformities? gone. cystic fibrosis? gone. sickle cell anemia? gone.

Getting rid of pain just seems unnecessary.

Speaking of Tone's grammar, I love his quotation which someone has in his/her sig. Something about "definetely probably". Reminds me of a quotation from the Monk series: "I'm 100% sure she probably killed him".

[Bob (SRB)]

This has definitely been the most interesting post in a while. I'm far from religious and I believe that modern technology can achieve a lot for us, but this is one of the few areas where I kind of have to fall back on a more "natural" way of looking at the world. I usually get this way after listening to the song natural beauty by neil young. Basically, the farther man is taken away from nature, the worse off we are. As we are relying more and more on the power of technology, we are disrupting the "balance" of all life. When I look at certain things such as how the cells of our body produce energy; how we are able to percieve emotions; how we have lost much of our instinct, replaced by the ability to reason (the divergence from all other known living beings, making us already so.. unnatural) and how perfectly everything seems to balance with eachother, I believe that if we break this balance only bad can come of it.

We've already done this in numerous ways, for example: pollution. It all comes down to 2 things: greed, and the fact that we are able to do things and not have to worry about the consequences until they are coming crashing down on us. Look at all the fossil fuels we are burning, we have given up our own and the planet's health for the convenience a fast vehicle affords us. The balance has been broken here and we are already beginning to suffer the consequences of pollution and global warming. I know what I am trying to get at here is much more complex than this little analogy, but I don't really feel like turning this post into a book.

All pleasure with no pain, there is absolutely no balance in that. Humans are already a defective species with far more power than we are able to handle. Whatever it is that sparked our "intellectual evolution" has given us this blessing/curse of reason. We've already taken this ability too far, and we are still ignoring the consequences on the horizon (for example: the leader of the most powerful country in the world still opposes the Kyoto accord).

Ok this post turned into a huge rant, without much substance. It's more of a philosophical argument, but here's the bottom line: balance is what keeps life going, and every action has an equal and opposite reaction. If you are willing to break the balance of pleasure/pain, you are going to pay for it.

[Cops]

I agree, I believe a line has to be drawn at some point.

[Vykromond]

No.

good call