The Hedonistic Imperative Manifesto

[Vykromond]

edit: forget it, snarky one-liners are out

[Subjugation]

Last I heard, they haven't even mapped out the brain yet. What makes this science, and not science fiction?

And, no...I'm not going to read anything Phone links to. Some generalizations are reasonable.

[Blanke]

It's a theory, a plan for the future. Remember that thread about an elevator to the moon.

What makes religion religion and not a fable?

[Subjugation]

It's a theory, a plan for the future. Remember that thread about an elevator to the moon.

What makes religion religion and not a fable?

That depends who you ask.

If said asshat was claming it was sci fi, that's cool with me too, then. The problem is, he's implying its around the corner and it's based on legitimate scientific reasearch, instead of wildly distant hypothesis with little, if any, actual reasearch. It sounds like it's the same kind of shit L. Ron Hubbard used to write about.

I love the cheesy airbrushed microbiology pic . Haha, hillarious.

[Tone]

but here's the bottom line: balance is what keeps life going, and every action has an equal and opposite reaction. If you are willing to break the balance of pleasure/pain, you are going to pay for it.

the balance is already broken. life is based on pain. nature evolved many times more negative feedback mechanisms than positive. nature works on the platform of competition. the balance is already broken for severe depressives as well

[PH]

[Cops]

the balance is already broken. life is based on pain. nature evolved many times more negative feedback mechanisms than positive. nature works on the platform of competition. the balance is already broken for severe depressives as well

you just like shitting in everyones soup now don't you?

[Subjugation]

the guy is full of sheeat. it's all fantasy island bullschnizzle.

[Subjugation]

Fucking PH. I'm so curious where you get your goddam vids from. That shit is the shit. GG yo.

[Vykromond]

i think that video has its own top-level domain name, actually, but i forgot what it was.

[Fluffz]

No you are wrong, there already exists such people. its called major depressive disorder. they experience pain and anhedonia all of the time, with very little pleasure compared to the average person. yet they experience their state as pain constantly no matter how long and no matter how different or less or nonexistant their other states for possible contrast exist compared to the average person...

No you are wrong, no matter how much you repeat the same thing over and over again. basically you delivered the best argument against your theory yourself.
those major depressive disorder people (however they are called in english) can not experience joy, no matter what good happens to them. well, that works both ways. in your world no matter how much someone would suffer, he would still feel good. this is no cure, its an illness. no matter what that creature does, it feels the same. kill somebody, destroy something, die. unlimited pleasure.

and you cant eliminate the fact that people suffer. something will always change, something will always break, someone will always die. and thats a good thing. nothing is worse than static. may it just be a bug drowning in your glass. morale is useless if killing and caring gives you a good feeling.

[froedrick]

I thought one of the main concepts of love, was to put your absolute trust in someone, and know that they wouldn't hurt you. That's why it's so scary the first time.

[Golden Sun 1]

Fukin post of the year

Edit: ashlee ur quite good lookin

[Tone]

morale is useless if killing and caring gives you a good feeling.

killing wouldnt exist. perfect morals and empathy without any pain needed. it wont be that your thoughts have changed a little or youll feel numb about good and bad. what were thinking about here in theory is your state will change to something you cannot imagine, a much bigger difference than say soneones first acid or mdma trip, and much better with zero side effects. every person here would change their mind more instantly than hitting the crack pipe

[Arikel]

this is the dumbest most fucked up thing ive read in a long time. BS. all mumbo jumbo non sense excuses for accepting pain and suffering. pseudo wisdom crap. and if you were engineered in a particular way, youd actually have deeper and truer feeling that way, not less like Brave New World, the only difference is all the depth and intense feeling and emotion would all be only positive with no negative. there is no purpose to pain & suffering whatsoever. in the end all existance comes down to pleasure & pain. so theres no other purpose or meaning to life than reducing pain and increasing pleasure.

love can be even more special without pain. pain makes love negative and posionous. we can be fixed to experience no pain from love. if love fails memories could be erased. people could be altered to not be attached to any one love perhaps.

Next time you disagree with me try to voice your diferences in opinion in a civilized way. I don't agree with you would suffice, followed by your reasons, if you felt like posting them, once again in a civilised manner...

EDIT: but if two in love both have high oxytocin levels and their brain chemistry as such to never experience dysphoria and anxiety, their love could never fail.

As no one ever told you that you talk in a strange way... you also seem to have a very close minded view of what love and human relations are
You seem to be mistaking love for pure carnal pleasure... and there are a lot of diferences... one is about having the most "oxitocin disforia yabba yabba yabba that kind of stuff you know" and the other is to share and endure with your partner everything that life throws at both of you... being it happyness or sadness, pain or pleasure, if you eliminate pain you would lose half the challenge.