China is becoming more of a threat

[PaulOakenfold]

Isn't present day Hiroshima a thriving city?

Run by mutants

[Kim]

Screw the world

China is becoming more of a threat in TW!

[Zerzera]

I don't know LB, but if you'd talk about my country as a 'threat' I'd smack you.
It seems very 'American' to see anyone with some sort of 'power' as a threat. Why do you crave for enemies so much?
This thread sounds a lot like a 'my daddy is so strong he'd own your father' conversation between two 8 year olds.

[BleakFuture]

Umm, 100 nukes is not going to take out the United States. Nukes are overrated, please note that the size of the explosion is not directly porportional to the power of the blast.

Isn't present day Hiroshima a thriving city?

Yeah but it took a long time to clean the city.Plus the deaths after the nuclear drop and during are like a 10:1 ratio. Radiation does really nasty things to almost anything living. Plus the bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima wasn't as large as the one that was dropped on Nagasaki.

[Epinephrine]

i dont know how informed you are about the force of the powerest (sp?) nuke but when 100 nukes hits there is no 1 person standing right in the usa.

I'm apperently much much much more informed than you. Besides China only has round 20 ICBMs that could reach America, and those can only reach America's west coast.

[Barton]

Umm, 100 nukes is not going to take out the United States. Nukes are overrated, please note that the size of the explosion is not directly porportional to the power of the blast.

Isn't present day Hiroshima a thriving city?

like everyone knows it is the shock wave that destroys everything. i think that you underastemate the nukes/A-bombs from this century, they are not the same as in Hiroshima or Nagasaki. What i mean with 100 nukes is the usa gone --> you nuke the big cities like nyc, Was DC, LA, LV, no point in nuking over dead area. if you hit all the big cities, USA is more or els powerless.

[Barton]

I'm apperently much much much more informed than you.

wanna explain it to me then?

[Pressure Drop]

what a crazy thread!!
How has China threatening USA??
By its growing economy? Jesus you Amerticans better launch a full nuclear precuationary strike right now !!!!

But why this talk of war??? Becuase a Japanese radical says so ... The history between China and Japan isn't pretty and many extremists still stir shit up.

I don't believe the USA could really win a war with China.

As has been said, it has far superior Navy and even Air but it could never hold the land and would never "win" If it started to bombard the Chinese Cities with conventional arms, the Chinese could launch Nuclear weapons that would devestate American cities. In return it could of course annialte China with its Nulclear arms but is it winning when most of the populations in your cities are destroyed?

There would be no war as both realise there is no way of winning and becuase there is no fecken reason to start a war either ...


You cannot compare the Nuclear bombs off today with those actualy used in the past against Japan. The modern day ones are 10-50 times more powerfull and they have many more than 2 bombs.

here is some information about the nuclear capabilites including the 3 biggest holders of nuclear weapons.

The first nuclear weapons developed by the US had explosive yields equivalent to 10-20 kt of TNT, while most of today's deployed weapons range from 100-500 kt in yield. In all, there are approximately 27,600 nuclear weapons in existence.

The US possesses just over 10,000 nuclear weapons but plans to reduce this number by about 50% by 2012. The last of America's 1030 nuclear tests took place on 23 September 1992. The US government has plans to study advanced nuclear-weapon designs, although no such weapons are currently in production. The US has signed, but not ratified, the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty (CTBT). The vast majority of its nuclear weapons are deployed on Trident submarines. The rest are deployed on intercontinental ballistic missiles or long-range B-52 and B-2 bombers.


Russia possesses as many as 16,000 intact nuclear weapons. The former Soviet Union conducted 715 nuclear-weapons tests between 1949 and 1990. Russia maintains a massive nuclear complex, including 10 formerly secret nuclear cities housing hundreds of tonnes of inadequately secured nuclear materials. Russia is dramatically reducing the size of its nuclear arsenal and many older systems are nearing the end of their service lives. It has also signed and ratified the CTBT. Russia continues to develop new nuclear re-entry vehicles - the top part of long-range missiles that deliver nuclear weapons to their targets - and is thought to be pursuing new weapon designs. These new re-entry vehicles are being designed to manoeuvre in the final phases of flight and thwart US efforts to develop effective defences against ballistic missiles.

China has about 400 nuclear weapons and various delivery platforms - mostly short- and medium-range missiles - and is pursuing a slow, but consistent modernization effort. It conducted 45 nuclear-weapons tests between 1964 and 1996. China has signed but not yet ratified the CTBT. It continued to develop more reliable longer-range missiles and is thought to be pursuing systems less vulnerable to destruction by a first strike by another nuclear power. There is no hard evidence that China is working on new types of weapon, but there are no known restrictions to stop its scientists from doing so.

[BleakFuture]

Lets just say, that if one country decides to nuke another, it won't be just a border dispute... no way in fucking hell will it be labelled a border dispute.
Once the first nuke flies, it's WW3, and it'll include many countries.

[Troll King]

I think we'd be better off wondering if the planet Earth can win a war against the Klipnits from Zarlon-7.

[Pressure Drop]

Now this isn't a "US-only" thread. With a huge army and nukes under it's belt, do you think China will set it's sights on any specific country? Japan maybe, or even some part of Europe? Do you think that if people are saying even the USA can't stop them, that China will get overconfident and lash out and attack someone?

No

your ideas are completely unfounded.

[K2Grey]

Look, a present day nuke may be 50x more powerful but that doesn't mean it will destroy 50x the area, because the explosion is (in air) roughly spherical. So the blast area is actually not that impressive.

[BleakFuture]

They explode before they hit the ground, so the majority of the explosion is moving down at the same velocity that the bomb was moving. So then there's a fireball moving at terminal velocity and it hits the ground, and spreads out a bit, then rises. Hooray for mushroom clouds.

[Pressure Drop]

Look, a present day nuke may be 50x more powerful but that doesn't mean it will destroy 50x the area, because the explosion is (in air) roughly spherical. So the blast area is actually not that impressive.

Even if the area destroyed was directly proportional to the energy released in a shperical way then a bomb with 50x the power would destroy about 3.7x the area. That certainly impresses me after looking at Nagasaki or Hiroshima and i certainly wouldn't want a few of them dropped on my city. Let alone the fall out etc... (p.s. i calculated that myself so its most likely wrong)



there are also more powerfull thermonulcear bombs capable off alot more than 50x

The largest one ever built was capable off an 100 Megaton explosion. It was tested but not at the 100 Mt level due to the amount of fallout and yeilded 50 Mt. It was built in the early 60's as a show of strength by the USSR and never intended as pratical weapon.

The Tu-95 was painted with a special white reflective paint to protect it from the thermal radiation of the fireball. The airborne laboratory plane was also covered with the same paint. In clear air, the 50 Mt test was capable in principle of inflicting third degree burns at a distance of up to 100 km.

The area of effectively complete destruction extended to 25 km, and ordinary houses would be subjected to severe damage out to 35 km. The destruction and damage of buildings at much greater ranges than this which occurred was due to the effects of atmospheric focusing, an unpredictable but unavoidable phenomenon with very large atmospheric explosions that is capable of generating localized regions of destructive blast pressure at great distances (even exceeding 1000 km).

I think the 100-500 kt is about the majority that are about right now, but if there was a war immenent and they intended to use nuclear weapons they could build more of the more powerfull type of huge bombs if needed. As it is they have plenty of nuclear weapons to destroy a huge area right now.

[BleakFuture]

What kind of weapon was it that would kill all life on Earth? Urm.... something about the casing on it, when it reaches critical mass releases a special type of radiation which would kill all life on earth. Feck, I forget the element that it's made from.

EDit: OH! I think its Cobalt. maybe. correct me if I'm wrong