China is becoming more of a threat

[Galleleo]

Epi, America also thought they would walk over Vietnam in a matter of days/weeks, they lost. I wouldn't put it past China to be able to defeat America, it all comes down to how you play it out. You can't simply take the rockets of both sides and go.. well he is obviously stronger!

IF it would come down to a war between America and China, I think China does have a really good shot at winning. Take into account the number of citizen, then take into account the cultures. For the chinese it wouldn't be weird to have 70% of the men in the country to fight in that war, their culture is different. They think different, they are far more willing to fight to the death, suicide, whatever then any western Army ever will be. No one in the US is gonna say, yea I'll leave my safe high paying job to fight some chinese, tho the Chinese could very likely say, Yea I'll go fight for my country and die for my country. I know all the hollywood movies like to portray the American soldier as someone who thinks it's an honour to die for his country. Fact is, the Western soldier will do everything in his power to not die in a war. While a Chinese soldier will do everything in his power to prevent his country from losing a war, even if it means suiciding on the enm. So you can't really compare strenght nor weapons if you don't take into account the difference in culture.

[Epinephrine]

Epi, America also thought they would walk over Vietnam in a matter of days/weeks, they lost. I wouldn't put it past China to be able to defeat America, it all comes down to how you play it out. You can't simply take the rockets of both sides and go.. well he is obviously stronger!

Your analogy is flawed. America was the one that went to Vietnam to try and take it over (or 'take it back for the south' or whatever you want to think). The thread is talking about China declaring war on the US and somehow 'beating' the US. This isn't going to happen. Just as America couldn't win in Vietnam, Chinese troops aren't going to win on American soil, nor will they win in the oceans. The US doesn't need to take over China to win a war of defense against China.


As for the rest of your newly edited post again you have no appreciation of the reality of the situation.

1) If America wanted to destroy China it could. America has 20,000 nukes, China has around a hundred or so.

2) If it were a non-nuclear war, America would NOT need to actually take over China to win the war. China has absolutely no way of getting to America without crossing the Pacific Ocean. China's navy is absolutely no match for the American navy. One American aircraft carrier battlegroup could probably eliminate the entire Chinese fleet quite handedly. America has 12 of these. America would effectively control the seas and could just constantly bombard Chinese cities until they got bored.

3) The Chinese air force as impressive as they are, are yet again no match for the American one. It's a simple matter of technology. The American planes are simply much more advanced and have stronger capabilities. Sure no doubt a bunch of American planes would be shot down, but before long, America would rule both the seas AND the skies over China.

4) Even if China were somehow able to sneak past the American navy, they would never be able to land a force of significant size to challenge even just the Californian national guard. On American soil, the Chinese have just as much (probably less) a chance of winning as America would in a protracted war on Chinese soil. Therefore it would not happen unless there was a group of completely idiotic leaders in China who really really wanted it to happen.

5) Since land wars in China and America would never happen, and since America would dominate both the skies and the seas, America could not lose. Your scenario of 1 billion Chinese soldiers fighting against the Americans who weren't too lazy to fight would basically never happen because of simple geography.

6) The Chinese love their country yes, but it doesn't mean they love the Communist party of China. A protracted war would bring about the end of the CCP, and before long a peace would be made, espeically since America has no reason to attack China so the war would be completely China's fault.

7) Why would China ever attack America? Why would America ever attack China? It's sheer lunacy!


8) Even if sheer lunacy begins, America would be able to basically cut off China from all imports of natural resources. Very soon China would be out of oil and other things it needs to keep running and keep fighting a war. Because of it's lack of a navy, bases around the world, ability to project real military power past it's boarders, and lack of military alliances around the world China cannot stop America from cutting it off. Much like WWII where Japan was cut off from the world, China will be too. Again before long the country would collaspe or at least lose any ability to inflict any sort of damage to the Americans whatsoever.

[Galleleo]

I edited epi

[Epinephrine]

So did I.

[K2Grey]

China is no match for Taiwan, because just after China invades, President Chen Shui-ban will be the victim of an assassination attempt that results in widespread international support.

[GoldenPlums]

5) Since land wars in China and America would never happen, and since America would dominate both the skies and the seas, America could not lose. Your scenario of 1 billion Chinese soldiers fighting against the Americans who weren't too lazy to fight would basically never happen because of simple geography.

Someone get Bush a copy of The Princess Bride right now.

[Jerome Scuggs]

Yeah, in terms of land-war America can attack through Europe/Russia. The Chinese would have to attack/takeover those areas.

I'm pretty sure any escalation/war between China and America would go nuclear. Bummer.

[Barton]

1) If America wanted to destroy China it could. America has 20,000 nukes, China has around a hundred or so.

it does not matter how many nukes some country has. it is all about who fires them first. USA will be gone with 5 will targeted nukes.

[Theif of Time]

Which is why nuclear weapons are a difficult weapon to use. Once one person uses them so does everyone else (Or so the theory goes... like the flash movie 'end of the world')
Essentially they're a status symbol for countries who want to look big, like getting a tatoo or something. They definetly have a use... but who's going to use them? Terrorists, perhaps, who have no particular country, therefore have not much to lose.
So shall we leave the nukes out of it, then?

I don't think China will attack the US. They have population pressure, don't they? Who's read the 'Tommorow, when the war began' series by John Marsden?

[Da1andonly]

As ToT clearly stated...you fire one and your enemy will fire two. Rinse and repeat, 'til we're all "living" in an atomic winter <_<

EDIT: Good god, I can't type.

[Epinephrine]

it does not matter how many nukes some country has. it is all about who fires them first. USA will be gone with 5 will targeted nukes.

Contrary to popular belief, 5 nukes (or even 100) will not vapourize the United States. 20,000 meanwhile, will completely destroy China. Besides the US will know the SECOND a nuke is launched and they will launch reprisals.

[Wil]

I :wub: Chinese takeaway

[Galleleo]

And then to think if America wouldn't put so much money in all the nukes and all the other military shit, alot of americans wouldn't even have to be poor..

[Barton]

Contrary to popular belief, 5 nukes (or even 100) will not vapourize the United States. 20,000 meanwhile, will completely destroy China. Besides the US will know the SECOND a nuke is launched and they will launch reprisals.

i dont know how informed you are about the force of the powerest (sp?) nuke but when 100 nukes hits there is no 1 person standing right in the usa.

[K2Grey]

Umm, 100 nukes is not going to take out the United States. Nukes are overrated, please note that the size of the explosion is not directly porportional to the power of the blast.

Isn't present day Hiroshima a thriving city?