Alito has Spoken

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I agree...down with abortion and for everyone who is against it I hope they get raped and impregnated by some drug using mentally retarded AIDS carrying maniac, Only then to be forced to carry the child full term!

Becuase we really want more and more back alley abortions with coat hangers and children dumped in trash cans.

Lets do away with abortion so my dream that the above can happen!!!!

[Pandagirl!]

Haha you're so funny.

Seriously though, abortion is so wrong; don't even get me started on this. I'm one of the biggest pro-life people that you'll ever, EVER meet.

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We will always differ in opinion Pandagirl! not even gonna argue this point

As an agnostic and someone who does not want the bible as well as some politician in my bedroom...I would go against anything you would say in favor of making it illegal.

Pro-Choice for me...but yes I was just a lil' bit sarcastic in my last post. I only would want that to happen to Bush's daughters!!!

[Galleleo]

How can you, in all honesty be against abortion? Skipping the obvious examples of getting raped and impregnated, etc.

I would rather have someone have an abortion who doesn't want a child, then them having a child and that child having to grow up with parents that don't even want the child, giving the child trauma's for life, and whatnot.

I am not gonna elaborate on my point, and I am not gonna start a discussion because it's useless against bible lovers anyway.

[Pandagirl!]

Well about the rape thing... less than 1% of all abortions performed are from rape victims.

Anywho, why am I against abortion? Besides the obvious fact that it's murder, it's just morally wrong.

Like I've said so many times before, having sex can lead to babies. That's what the purpose of sex is, to reproduce. People know full well that when they're having sex they might become pregnant. If you choose to have sex, then you're also choosing to deal with the consequences. If you're responsible enough to have sex, then you're responsible enough to raise a baby. If you aren't, why are you having sex?

Besides that, there's always adoption. There are so many couples out there that try and try to have a baby, but they can't. Then there are people that are sleeping around and get pregnant many many times, but instead of facing the consequences of their actions, they take the easy way out and get an abortion. What an amazing panacea abortion is - you can act irresponsibly and then, instead of facing the consequences, you can just make the problem go away. Instead of facing your mistakes, you chose to end a human life. Does the baby have any say in it? Did the baby ever do anything to deserve it? No.

[Galleleo]

Like I said, I am not getting in an argument over this with you, it's useless.

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

Anywho, why am I against abortion? Besides the obvious fact that it's murder, it's just morally wrong.

That's fine that you feel this way. But again, this is YOU.

I look at the subject of banning abortion in a similar way as I do as the subject of banning homosexual marriages: If it doesn't pertain directly to you, why the hell do you care? I'm not gay, but what does it bother me if two people who love each other decide to get married? The answer: NOT AT ALL. I can have all the moral objections in the world about it, but I have NO BUSINESS regulating how OTHER PEOPLE spend their personal lives.

Abortion is the same way. I'm almost 100% sure that no woman is excited to have an abortion. No one WANTS to have one, or dreams about growing up and having their first abortion. But the fact of the matter is that sometimes it's just a better way. Maybe it's not your bag, but for SOME PEOPLE it's the most viable solution. And as far as calling it "murder," it's a convenient out for pro-lifers. The problem is that the term is so amorphous that it COULD apply to anything.

Here's what it comes down to. Why does everyone think that just because they don't agree with something on moral grounds that no one else should be able to live their own life? I could understand if it was something that had widespread implications, but for something as compartmentalized as abortion, how about we just keep our opinions to ourselves and just let adults make up their own mind.

[Squeezer]

Well about the rape thing... less than 1% of all abortions performed are from rape victims.

Anywho, why am I against abortion? Besides the obvious fact that it's murder, it's just morally wrong.

Like I've said so many times before, having sex can lead to babies. That's what the purpose of sex is, to reproduce. People know full well that when they're having sex they might become pregnant. If you choose to have sex, then you're also choosing to deal with the consequences. If you're responsible enough to have sex, then you're responsible enough to raise a baby. If you aren't, why are you having sex?

Besides that, there's always adoption. There are so many couples out there that try and try to have a baby, but they can't. Then there are people that are sleeping around and get pregnant many many times, but instead of facing the consequences of their actions, they take the easy way out and get an abortion. What an amazing panacea abortion is - you can act irresponsibly and then, instead of facing the consequences, you can just make the problem go away. Instead of facing your mistakes, you chose to end a human life. Does the baby have any say in it? Did the baby ever do anything to deserve it? No.

You and I have discussed this on many occaision, and logically, if you're going to take such a hardline stand against abortion, then you're going to have to accept gay marriage as well.

With a teeming amount of unwanted babies in the world, straight couples, most of whom can already reproduce for themselves, are not going to be able to pick up the slack alone. So, where should help be enlisted? From homosexual couples. I know this sounds a bit silly, but I think it would be justified to allow gay marriage, and all it's benifits, in exchange for at least one adopted child. I would vote for that law. The problem is, too many Christians like you wont comprimise, becuase you're too fucking stubborn and fail to see the consequences of abolishing abortion. There would be a ton of unwanted children....what then? And what about all those amteur abortions that would still take place.

Add that with Christian's belief regarding contraceptives, and the fact that they shouldn't be used, and you have got one fucked up system, where no one is allowed to make a mistake of passion. Hooray, thats a God, and a system I wanna follow.

[Sarien]

how about we just keep our opinions to ourselves and just let adults make up their own mind.

If I could blaze that in thousand foot letters made of fire in the grand canyon, I would.

It's pretty much what I've said every single time the topic of abortion and gay marriage comes up.

Too bad more people can't understand that having a choice about things means being Free. In the land of supposed freedom, one would think that'd be a good thing.

[NaiLed]

Anywho, why am I against abortion? Besides the obvious fact that it's murder, it's just morally wrong.

i don't usually like to get involved in these kind of things, but this kind of annoys me. don't try to make your opinion sound like an objective fact. you can have your own opinion, sure, but don't try and force your views and beliefs onto people who don't necessarily agree with you.

edit: as conc said, let people live their own lives. who are you to say what people can and can't do, especially if it doesn't really affect you at all?

[Epinephrine]

I've seen 2 abortions, but I didn't get to help out. The D&Cs were interesting to watch though. What I can say is I agree with Concrete, none of these women are happy about what happens, and none of them were planning on it. Yet stuff happens and for many this is the best choice for them. On another note though, some of these people really don't understand the consequences of their actions. Believe it or not, a lot of people really don't equate sex with only having babies, and when they get pregnant, it can really be completely unexpected.

[Pandagirl!]

Yea, I'm against abortions. And yes, I'm against gay marriage. HOWEVER, I am all for civil unions. There's a difference in marriage and civil unions. The sanctity of marriage, in my opinion, should remain for heterosexual couples. But just because someone chooses to enter a homosexual relationship doesn't mean that they should be stripped of basic rights.

EDIT: On a side note, I just realized this is my 3000th post. Woooohoooo. :sorcerer:

[Facetious]

personally, i think "marriage" should be given to a select group of wackjob christians, and if you arent a wackjob christian, you dont get married, you get something else. i would be perfectly happy to get civil unioned or whatever if it in any way contributed to gays being able to get the rights they deserve. that said, it really pisses me off that some gays wouldnt be satisfied with equal rights but a different name. if its not the rights that are important they are almost as thick-headed as the dumbass religious right thats arguing against it.

as far as abortion is concerned, ive always thought that anyone who has an anti-abortion bumpersticker should have to adopt one child per sticker. there are people on earth that are fully incapable of raising a child, and if you think they should give birth to those children, you are being incredibly selfish if you leave that child to get beaten, abandoned, etc, just so that you can have your own child. its one thing to make up bullshit like "its morally wrong" if you are doing ANYTHING to solve the problem youd be making significantly worse by outlawing abortion, but if you arent planning on adopting, or at least spending a significant amount of time mentoring (not that i want you dispensing your religious nonsense to vulnerable people, but its the thought that counts), please, please shut the fuck up.

[Pandagirl!]

How do you know that I do nothing to help out?

One of my best friends fosters kids that are up for adoption. Her and I are with them constantly. We teach them to read and write. We teach them how to walk and we potty train them. They never found a home for one child, and they adopted him themselves. He's a little wild, and my friend and I are helping make him more, well, civilized. In my free time, I knit hats, booties, and blankets for babies that are born prematurely or to underprivelaged families. Once a week a tutor elementary kids and help them with their homework. Our family also sponsers a girl in Haiti that we send food, money, and clothing to. When I get older, I'd gladly adopt a child. Even if I have kids of my own, I fully plan on adopting a child that no one can find a home for.

Before you try and judge me, get the whole story.

[GuruMeditation]

Well, I ain't one to talk about abortion. I'm a guy. However the wife isn't so much pro-abortion as she is pro-choice. She wouldn't want to have an abortion herself, but wouldn't want that possibility taken away. She makes a pretty good case for it, but being a guy I spaced out at this point and just stared at her chest. Not a smart move when driving a car.

As far as age of sexual consent, that isn't the weirdest thing in this country. You can drive at 15 or 16, where you're taking a the responibility of yourself, those in the car and those on the road with you into your hands. You can smoke, go to the army and have sex at 18 (in most states). But you can't buy a beer until you're 21. That, is insane. At least, it's an insane thought for someone who comes from a country where the legal drinking age is 16. (you can drink and have sex at 16, but no smoking until you're 18. Straightened out prioritys right there)

Oh and as far as adopting goes, great for those who want to. But we can make our own babies thank you very much.