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    "Hi mom, this is mark bingham" - Mark Bingham using his Cell phone from miles up in the sky

    http://www.flight93crash.com/

    Why I put this site up:
    To give and solicit information about what really happened over Pennsylvania regarding Flight 93 on 9-11-01? (much of this website was created in the few months following the crash. Some news links are no longer working, and new information keeps coming out. Always check the discussion board for the latest information and unmoderated free flow of ideas.)

    Background:
    I didn't even give this crash a second thought until I got a couple phone calls from friends on the 11th saying friends of theirs with inside information "knew" it was shot down. Whatever - friend of a friend info isn't worth much. (I never say Flight 93 was shot down on this website. Just take it easy.)

    But that did pique my curiosity enough to follow the story and begin collecting what little news I could find. I have linked to local reports that have never been reported by the mainstream media. A one ton engine part survives a near vertical impact and is found far from the crash. Burning debris falling from the sky, clothing, books and human remains found miles away. An air traffic controller reports an F-16 "must have seen the whole thing". You can verify it by reading the original stories yourself. 95% of the accounts I've linked to have full witness names and reporters names.

    Looking at all the details so far - nothing really adds up neatly for me, except that Flight 93 had a midair crisis that caused debris to fall before it crashed. I remain skeptical of all the theories... except one. We are not being told what happened - and the Government knows exactly what happened.

    Important news...
    The FBI finally allowed family members to hear the Cockpit Voice Recorder. Unfortunately, no conclusive evidence was heard by anyone. There simply is no evidence at this time that heros ever got in the cockpit. The story hasn't changed much since the Newsweek article below outlined what the reporters did and didn't read in the transcripts.

    The Fact remains that the FBI has never stated heroes were ever in the cockpit. No official ever has. If you find such a statement please email me a link.

    I have to ask: Why not release the Flight Data Recorder info? There is nothing horrific on it. There is nothing there that will aid and abed terrorists. There is nothing that will jeopardize a trial. And it's data that usually get's released at some point.

    It's simply data about the aircraft as it flew and crashed.

    There's only one reason not to release it. Because it shows the plane depressurizing, losing an engine, flipping upside down and crashing in a way that they don't care to explain.

    November 27th - The FBI recently provided a partial Cockpit Voice Recorder transcript to 3 Newsweek reporters. It appears to verify things I've been saying for 2 months, like"The Investigators are looking into the possibility that the heroes came very close to the cockpit, it is unclear that they actually reached the cockpit door." Here is what I think about that Newsweek report.



    I have some basic questions reporters aren't asking. Why?

    1) We had somewhere between 30 and 55 minutes after Flight 93 was "suspect" to intercept it. The current official story is that 3 F-16 fighters had been scrambled at 9:24AM and were airborne over Washington D.C. by 9:40AM. AWACS and a Tanker were scrambled also. These pilots saw the Pentagon on fire, the President had OK'd a shootdown, the Secret Service had advised the pilots to protect the White House at all costs, and Flight 93 was the only aircraft off course - heading toward D.C. - with it's transponder off. Flight 93 crashed at 10:06AM only 125 miles from D.C. (10 minutes away at 750mph for an F-16) and 3 nuclear power plants were in between Flight 93 and D.C. Fighter pilots have weighed in and told me likely speeds might be 600+ for the F-16's and 300+ for the 757 converging at 1000 mph.

    What did those 3 fighters do from 9:40AM until 9:55AM when they finally turned towards Flight 93 and were 60 miles out at 10:06am?

    Remember, at 8:45 we scrambled 2 F-15's and they reached the WTC 15 minutes later. Why were the FIRST jets so quick to react by comparison?

    2) Why did Air Traffic Controllers in a Nashua Telegraph article report an F-16 was circling Flight 93 and was in visual range at the time of crash - and why does the Government currently DENY that?

    Comment: Of these two, who is more likely to be accurate? And why has the FBI told Air Traffic Controllers not to talk with the press under threat of prosecution?
    Answer: As a condition of employment Contollers are required to have a "secret" security clearance rating. As a civilian air traffic controller you are bound to know military flight information that should remain secret. This makes perfect sense due to the fact that the FBI is conducting a Criminal Investigation into the crash. Witnesses may also be prohibited from talking to the press regarding the incident.

    The white mystery jet was witnessed by dozens - was that what this controller saw on his screen? Clearly, no controllers are talking to the media about that white jet - but a lot of civilians were.

    3) What caused an entire engine and human remains to be found a considerable distance from the main crash site?

    4) How did metal scraps, clothing and garbage bags full other debris gathered by residents and turned over to the FBI float on the breeze from a 35 foot deep muddy hole through wet, muddy fields for between 2.5 and 8 miles in 9 knot(10.4 mph) winds as the NTSB has declared? Why hasn't this happened in any other airline crashes that did not have mid-air traumas?

    5) How easy is it to grab the controls and override the autopilot?
    Answer: Easy. You can disconnect the autopilot by bumping the control yoke, there is also a switch on the yoke for autopilot disconnect as well as switches on the autopilot control panel in the center of instrument panel. Once the autopilot is disengaged the plane will fly according to the inputs the pilot puts on the yoke and rudder transmitted via rods and pulleys throughout the plane. This would include the capability to fly the plane beyond its designed.flight envelope. The Flight Control Computers ARE the autopilot computers.

    5.1) How easy is it to grab the controls, and overstress a 757 to the point its engine and bags of debris falls from the sky? Would that debris look like confetti raining down?
    Answer: Simulators do not simulate overstress. It's difficult to know what would happen.

    6) What was the explosion and white smoke that the first cell phone caller reported? And the explosion a 911 dispatcher heard shortly after talking to a passenger right before the line went dead? Ground witnesses report hearing several explosions.

    7) If a bomb went off on board, would the first cell phone caller sealed in the lavatory be able to report it?
    Answer: It's reasonable. The lav is sealed, a bomb could have been small.

    8) What was the mysterious white jet trailing Flight 93 before the crash, and witnessed by so many just after the crash?

    9) From an email: Everything seems to focus on the possibility of interception by fighters from the DC area - there are AT LEAST two and probably three guard and reserve fighter squadrons equipped with F-16s that were within less than 100 miles of the route of Flight 93. The Ohio guard has F-16s at Springfield and Toledo and I am almost positive there is also a fighter squadron at Greater Pitt. The Vermont guard maintains strip alert with F-16s at Burlington, and has for years. There are also active duty and reserve/guard fighter bases in Indiana.

    Another email: I have a inside source that can verify the National Guard F-16's at Hancock field in Syracuse NY were in the air early that morning before 9am.

    "Otis Air National Guard Base is the only active air defense base on the East Coast between our Canadian border and the Washington, D.C., area," said a statement released by the 102nd Fighter Wing on Tuesday. (9-11-01)
    http://www.capecodonline.com/cctimes...capezxsf16.htm

    Comment: Is it possible an F-16 from somewhere other than Langley or Andrews was in the air and moved towards Flight 93? It's a good point, all other airbases seem to be ignored by the press.

    Partial Answer: Federal military officials recently confirmed that the 180th Fighter Wing - an Ohio Air National Guard unit based at Toledo Express Airport - was the first unit outside the East Coast to answer the Air Force’s plea for immediate help.

    "They had the fuel. They had guns. That’s what was needed," said retired Lt. Col. Alan Scott, who has been analyzing the air responses for the Air Force.
    http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs...2090036&Ref=AR

    Comment: This report has the Toledo F-16's not in the air until after all 4 hijacked aircraft crashed, and Syracuse based fighters joining them 1/2 hour later at 10:45am. I've had eyewitnesses email me saying Syracuse based F-16's were in the air before 9am.

    A 44 year old lieutenant colonel in the Ohio Air National Guard and an F-16 pilot passed away due to a heartattack Dec 2, 2001. Mr. Raffa was the full-time commander of operations for the 180th and was deployed in Iraq last year.

    Another email: No, it's Langley AFB, VA - keep your eyes on the alert shelters along the main runway. They held 2 National Guard F-16s. One came back missing something it left with. Trust me, the guards there know what really happened.

    10) C'mon - wouldn't an aircraft that was shot down be blown away in a huge ball of fire? Answer: Have you ever seen a 757 shot with cannons or an air to air missile? Maybe. Let's think about it.

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    Hi Tone
    help: (qg) (javs): i think my isp is stealing internet from me.

    What's the difference between chopping an onion and chopping a baby? I cry when I chop onions. Type ?go Jav -Chao <ER>
    MegamanEXE> Chao
    MegamanEXE> I came from watching Hockey to say this
    (Sefarius)> ....
    (Hate The Fake)> LOL
    MegamanEXE> You are sick
    MegamanEXE> Good day

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    • #3
      Shut up. Not you, Chao.

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      • #4
        Yes Chao, keep believing what the government tells you, Osama Bin Laden is jealous of our freedom. Cough oh shit chokin I need a breath to breathe

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        • #5
          Originally posted by returnoftheapt
          Yes Chao, keep believing what the government tells you, Osama Bin Laden is jealous of our freedom. Cough oh shit chokin I need a breath to breathe
          It's either the Government or some idiotic conspiracy theory bullshit, and in all fairness, the government was here first.
          help: (qg) (javs): i think my isp is stealing internet from me.

          What's the difference between chopping an onion and chopping a baby? I cry when I chop onions. Type ?go Jav -Chao <ER>
          MegamanEXE> Chao
          MegamanEXE> I came from watching Hockey to say this
          (Sefarius)> ....
          (Hate The Fake)> LOL
          MegamanEXE> You are sick
          MegamanEXE> Good day

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          • #6
            I love people like this that are self righteous about their theories, as if they're doing the world a great favor by revealing what they believe "truly" happened on 9/11.
            Originally posted by Tone
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            • #7
              whoa o.o.. i got lost at 1
              >^________^<!

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              • #8
                Even if this nonsense is true, it's not as if the government should have just allowed a hijacked plane to crash into the White House.

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                • #9
                  Hi Tone (again)
                  >o-/\/\mmmmmmmmmm/-<o<<-<

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Tone
                    It is now time for the energy shift of the 7th root race to manifest on the 3D physical plane and uplift us back to 5D.
                    Originally posted by the_paul
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                    Originally posted by Material Girl
                    I tried downloading a soundcard

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                    • #11
                      who the hell is this new chao
                      this is a dated signature

                      FREE GHB, PH
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by dchao
                        who the hell is this new chao
                        you are the only chao to me
                        Originally posted by turmio
                        jeenyuss seemingly without reason if he didn't have clean flours in his bag.
                        Originally posted by grand
                        I've been afk eating an apple and watching the late night news...

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                        • #13
                          to much to read..
                          help: (how do i shot) (Public 0): how do i travel diagonally? i only have up, down, left and right keys.

                          4:PinkSTAR <ER>> ask DP he knows me inside and out

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