Penn and Teller on PETA

[PaulOakenfold]

http://media.putfile.com/petaBS

So what do you think about PETA, obviously this is very biased, but like all of these things, pretty interesting.

[stark]

"Is he eating the chicken? Oh, Jesus..."

"Fucking blind bastards torturing those dogs!"

"...And for fucking and shitting all over this shitty place"

"Is he wearing a leather belt?!"

The dictionary thing towards the end was $, too.


Anyways, humorous at times but it's hard to fully believe everything from something so biased... it was annoying with the poor video merging when there'd be like snippits of other clips flashing for a second..

[Kolar]

The whole organization is full of hypocrites and I believe they make real vegetarians look bad but I think P&T left out a much bigger issue. In our society it is fully expected and (or use to be) encouraged to demostrate and stand up for what you believe in while still being subject to all laws and penalties but when it comes down to it they should not be enforcing their ideology on others, the free market or encourging acts of violence from their members any more then, for exmaple Christian Neo-Cons should be. They're perpetuating violence and segregation while claiming to be more 'enlightened' and more open minded then the common man.. it's all bullshit.

[Subjugation]

PETA is the Pat Robertson of animal ethics. They're embarrassing, really.

[HeavenSent]

Thanks for sharing Paul. It was really interesting.

I think most activists are full of BS. It's people wanting other people to be just like them... with all their self-righteousness.

People should just let people do what-ever they want as long as they don't directly hurt anyone in anyway thats burdensome.

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

So, in that vein, you'd agree that same-sex marriages are okay, right?

[HeavenSent]

So, in that vein, you'd agree that same-sex marriages are okay, right?

Yes, but it shoud not be called marriage. Marriage is for a man and a woman. Call it something like a contractual partnership, and aside from having kids from a previous hetro relationship, they definately should not be allowed to adopt children. It's burdensome to the children.

Up until around the 1950's homosexuality was considered a mental illness. It still is, but because there were so many, and now, the numbers are probably many times that of the 50's, the institutions decided to eliminate the diagnosis as an illness.

Homosexuality is a life-style choice as much as hetrosexuality, pedifilia, beastiality or any other choice.. like serial killer. People choose what they want to do. They're not born into it. If that was the case, why bother trying to rehabilitate pedifiles? Just execute them because they were born that way.

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

Yes, but it shoud not be called marriage. Marriage is for a man and a woman. Call it something like a contractual partnership, and aside from having kids from a previous hetro relationship, they definately should not be allowed to adopt children. It's burdensome to the children..

Why shouldn't it be called marriage? Why is the term so important? Marriage (in the US) isn't necessarily a religious institution--it can be conducted by a justice of the peace. And why should two loving people be denied the right to foster children? A good home is a good home--it doesn't matter that they be of differing sexes. If you have a choice of a child being raised in an abusive, yet hetero, household, would you choose that over a loving homosexual household? Do you really think that homosexual couples indoctrinate their children into being homosexual? Are you really that blinded by your (personal) dislike for homosexuality? This is the thing (actually, one of the many things) about xenophobia that kills me--it doesn't seem to matter to you that a child has a better life, it's all about fulfilling your PERSONAL beliefs. Come on. It's "burdensome" to have a loving home? Please.

Up until around the 1950's homosexuality was considered a mental illness. It still is, but because there were so many, and now, the numbers are probably many times that of the 50's, the institutions decided to eliminate the diagnosis as an illness.

...and up until the 1500's, the world thought that the universe revolved around the Earth. What's your point?

Homosexuality is a life-style choice as much as hetrosexuality, pedifilia, beastiality or any other choice.. like serial killer. People choose what they want to do. They're not born into it. If that was the case, why bother trying to rehabilitate pedifiles? Just execute them because they were born that way.

Wow. All the hate coming from a Christian. Comparing homosexuality to serial killing? I demand you take that statement back. And so far, it's not fact that homosexuality is always a choice. I know that die-hard Christians are not good with dealing with scientific fact, but please.

But let's get back to the original statement. Your original statement was:

People should just let people do what-ever they want as long as they don't directly hurt anyone in anyway thats burdensome.

Please show me how two people getting married hurts you in any way.

[tugs]

anybody else reminded of southpark? maybe i watch it way too much.

"instead of man and wife, they'd be butt buddies.
they wouldnt be married they'd be butt buddies."

hehehehe.

stupid peta, i remember around here a few years ago, they went to a elementary school with their stupidity, and so someone set up a free ice cream stand right across the street. i always thought that was one of the more genious ideas i've heard of.

[Jerome Scuggs]

I do think the marriage term is a man/woman thing, but hey, definitions change. i really don't care either way.

I can't tell (i didnt watch the video, so if it's in there...) if PETA is against the unethical treatment of animals...or for vegetarianism. because they're different, though vegetarianism is usually the biggest form of protest for unethical treatment. And yeah, people argue that killing an anymal in any way is unethical, but seriously...it's natural. Religious justification aside (I admit it, I'm pretty Baptist), it's the food chain argument, we're at the top, and animals kill, we're animals, la dee da.

Omar Rodriguez, the guitarist for the mars volta, is a strict vegetarian, and a few months ago he had to cancel an entire leg of the european tour because he had some wicked stomach problems stemming from his lack of protein. But on the other hand, alot of hindus and even some christian sect practice vegetarianism and i don't hear reports of any problems...but from my experiences, most vegetarians are getting the short end of the stick. So I'm open-minded as far as that goes, but I'll tell you what - Wendy's triple cheeseburgers fucking rule.

[HeavenSent]

I see you just have a wild hair up your ass from your last penetration.

If you have a choice of a child being raised in an abusive, yet hetero, household, would you choose that over a loving homosexual household?

I would choose none of the above.

Do you really think that homosexual couples indoctrinate their children into being homosexual?

I don't think all intentionally do. However, children naturally look to the parents as role models and I don't believe most children of same-sex couples grow up to choose that life-style for themselves.

I have gay friends and during a time in my young adulthood, right out of high school, with much confusion within my own identity, i've had a few mild gay episodes. The experience was good for the fact that it proved to me that that area of sexual excitement is not for me. I know i'm not gay. I had doubt in my early 20's and the experience is a choice I'd prefer not to make again. I don't have gay dreams. I dream of women with smooth, soft skin and big boobies in my face or my face in their muffin. I choose not to be gay.

Are you really that blinded by your (personal) dislike for homosexuality? This is the thing (actually, one of the many things) about xenophobia that kills me--it doesn't seem to matter to you that a child has a better life, it's all about fulfilling your PERSONAL beliefs. Come on. It's "burdensome" to have a loving home? Please.

I don't believe it's about my PERSONAL beliefs. Most gay people i know, either personally or otherwise, believe all people are gay and that people should just give in to their natural desires to be gay. That's the kind of philosophy most children of gay couples are going to be exposed to. Which, knowingly goes against a Christian's belief to surpress natural desires as a living sacrifice to the Lord.

...and up until the 1500's, the world thought that the universe revolved around the Earth. What's your point?

Your gay ass missed the point on that one. I stated it was considered an illness and although it's no longer recognized as a state funded medical issue on mental illness, it still is. Sexually deviant behavior is a manifestation of childhood experiential dysfunction.

Wow. All the hate coming from a Christian. Comparing homosexuality to serial killing? I demand you take that statement back. And so far, it's not fact that homosexuality is always a choice. I know that die-hard Christians are not good with dealing with scientific fact, but please.

Again, your fag vision missed the point. The point was not comparing the end result of a given choice, but rather the act of choosing in and of itself.

But let's get back to the original statement. Your original statement was:

Please show me how two people getting married hurts you in any way.

Duh... did i mention that it hurt me? I think not. I said don't call it marriage and I said it's burdensome to the children. They're the ones having to deal with narcissistic parents.

[D1st0rt]

Penn and Teller's show is some quality programming.

Why is it that vegetarians always seem really thin and sickly?

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Thanks for sharing Paul. It was really interesting.

I think most activists are full of BS. It's people wanting other people to be just like them... with all their self-righteousness.

People should just let people do what-ever they want as long as they don't directly hurt anyone in anyway thats burdensome.

I could say the same for anyone that attends church and believes in the bible....all followers with all their self-righteousness!

You sound very hypocritical in that statement...as all relegious people would fall into the same category...their belief based upon a book while PETA is based upon living creatures in this world around us today.

[HeavenSent]

Why shouldn't it be called marriage? Why is the term so important?

Marriage is a vow before God that this union will love and cherish, 'til death, due us part.

God says homosexuality is a perversion and an abomination before Him.

Why would law-making, God fearing people wanna temp God to anger and be responsible for bringing God's wrath on this nation for such complacency?

Gays that go before God to proclaim their union are like chidren smiting their parents.

[HeavenSent]

I could say the same for anyone that attends church and believes in the bible....all followers with all their self-righteousness!

You sound very hypocritical in that statement...as all relegious people would fall into the same category...their belief based upon a book while PETA is based upon living creatures in this world around us today.

You're still lost.
I don't belong to any church other than the body of Christ and I don't have a denomination to preach hell, fire and brimstone.

It's my belief that religion itself is a masquerade of evil. When the Lord returns, He's not gonna stick a label of a religious denomination on Himself. There are no non-believers in the after-life, only servants and rebels.

God knows who His are and calls them and they hear and obey the best they can in this world which is ruled by the Prince of the Air. God leads His own to plant seeds of thought to bring in His lost and to warn evil of its consequences.
People don't save souls, God does and every one of His lost sheep will be found.