Penn and Teller on PETA

[Stultus]

Except for the fags. We're all going to Hell.

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Marriage is a vow before God that this union will love and cherish, 'til death, due us part.

God says homosexuality is a perversion and an abomination before Him.

Why would law-making, God fearing people wanna temp God to anger and be responsible for bringing God's wrath on this nation for such complacency?

Gays that go before God to proclaim their union are like chidren smiting their parents.

So the Greeks and Romans where before god? hmmm society and what we still live by as lawas and politics today are directly influenced from a society or homosexual beings, such as Plato, Socrates, Alexander the Great and more.

Homers Illiad should be banned from schools as it has homosexual references too.

This is your god btw...not mine.

These law-making, God fearing people are usually the ones that get into power and are exactly everthing opposite of what they preach they stand for.

But if we think in this manner, than all alcholics and drug addicts should not be allowed to sire as well as adopt children...not to leave out those sickened with gambling problems.

And lastly, to coin a phrase of the bible; Love thy neighbor as you would love thyself (paraphrasing here)...as Rodney Dangerfield noted....should I jerk him off too?

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

How to be a Bigoted, Intolerant, Uneducated Asshole - by HeavenSent

I see you just have a wild hair up your ass from your last penetration.

This is what's called "cheapening the dialogue," but I wouldn't expect any less from you. For the record, I'm quite happily heterosexual--I just don't feel the need to beat other people over the head with it.

I would choose none of the above.

Way to dodge the question at hand.

I don't think all intentionally do. However, children naturally look to the parents as role models and I don't believe most children of same-sex couples grow up to choose that life-style for themselves.

Do you have evidence of this happening, or are you just making conjecture? What makes you think that a child growing up in a same-sex household wouldn't take note of the fact that his/her parents are (on a base level) just two people who love each other and would do anything for the other and their family? What makes you think that the ENTIRE CULTURE around them wouldn't have any say in how their opinions are formed?

I have gay friends

I HIGHLY doubt this. More likely you have gay aquaintances who wonder how a Christian can be so bigoted when you're not around.

...and during a time in my young adulthood, right out of high school, with much confusion within my own identity, i've had a few mild gay episodes. The experience was good for the fact that it proved to me that that area of sexual excitement is not for me. I know i'm not gay. I had doubt in my early 20's and the experience is a choice I'd prefer not to make again. I don't have gay dreams. I dream of women with smooth, soft skin and big boobies in my face or my face in their muffin. I choose not to be gay.

Great for you. You indeed DID make a choice FOR YOURSELF.

I don't believe it's about my PERSONAL beliefs. Most gay people i know, either personally or otherwise, believe all people are gay and that people should just give in to their natural desires to be gay. That's the kind of philosophy most children of gay couples are going to be exposed to. Which, knowingly goes against a Christian's belief to surpress natural desires as a living sacrifice to the Lord.

Again, I wonder about how many gay people you actually know, and how many you've actually had conversational discourse with. With the statements you've made, I HIGHLY doubt that you've really taken the time to talk to (m)any homosexuals. You use words like "most children of gay couples," yet you don't seem to have a decent enough grasp on anything other than your EXTREMELY narrow Christian viewpoint. It's ALL about your PERSONAL beliefs--for you to not see that is ridiculous.

Your gay ass missed the point on that one.

For those following at home, the score:
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Actual dialogue: -43

I stated it was considered an illness and although it's no longer recognized as a state funded medical issue on mental illness, it still is. Sexually deviant behavior is a manifestation of childhood experiential dysfunction.

I'm glad you're an expert on sexuality. What's your degree in and where did you get it from, again?

Again, your fag vision missed the point.

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Duh... did i mention that it hurt me? I think not. I said don't call it marriage and I said it's burdensome to the children. They're the ones having to deal with narcissistic parents.

I'm saying that you come down on PETA for not letting people choose for themselves, but you're coming down on homosexuals for exactly that reason. Tell you what, PM me your mailing address and I'll print up a t-shirt for you that just has "HYPOCRITE" in large letters across the front and back. That way, people don't even have to wonder when they're talking to you. Or, more likely, when they're making fun of your bigoted ass behind your back.

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Up until around the 1950's homosexuality was considered a mental illness. It still is, but because there were so many, and now, the numbers are probably many times that of the 50's, the institutions decided to eliminate the diagnosis as an illness.

With this thought process you would have fit in great during the days of the Puritans, as there beliefs of witchraft created social outcasts and murdering trials based upon belief rather than factual evidence. The Salem incidents can be explained by religious hysteria and followings, rather than the facts that it was a rye fungus that caused hallucinations, instead of witchcraft.

But from your standpoint, it would be better to label someone based upon the your belief of the body of Christ.

Hypothetical question for you...if proof that could be proven as fact noted that Christ himself was gay, what would you do?

I am not gay and have no problems with hetero or homosexual beings, but to classify someone based upon their sexual orientation, is as bad as what the puritans did to what they percieved as witch's. Would Christ label people in this way? if so, why cure a lepper or a blind man...f'm

Classifcations of humans into groups without the exclusive rites as other is a disgrace to mankind itself. If an alien race would land and discover this planet and its beings, the 1st thing that would seem to happen is that we would need to kill them or cage them as a museum/zoo exhibit....after all the time this planet has been seeking life outside of our own, we cannot even live with one another without the labeling and cast judgment upon others.

The human race is pretty sick when you think of it...we are the disease that will kill this planet eventually, not the animals we strive to kill for sport.

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just so yous all know, heavensent doesnt talk for all christians.

i love God with all my heart, and i'm completely and totally undecided on the whole homosexual marriage thing. (siding towards letting people do whatever they want to do)

was gonna say more, but 'nuff said.

EDIT: incidentally, what does this have to do with PETA?

[PaulOakenfold]

THANK YOU FOR CHANGING THE SUBJECT OF THE THREAD ALL PARTIES INVOLVED

[HeavenSent]

This is what's called "cheapening the dialogue," but I wouldn't expect any less from you. For the record, I'm quite happily heterosexual--I just don't feel the need to beat other people over the head with it.

No, you've just decided, "Hey there's a Christian i can bash for his beliefs... let's try and push his buttons."

Way to dodge the question at hand.

It was your options that were narrow minded. I stated my choice and has it's been with past posts, unless it's what you're looking for, it's unacceptable.

Do you have evidence of this happening, or are you just making conjecture? What makes you think that a child growing up in a same-sex household wouldn't take note of the fact that his/her parents are (on a base level) just two people who love each other and would do anything for the other and their family? What makes you think that the ENTIRE CULTURE around them wouldn't have any say in how their opinions are formed?

How 'bout the thought of parents that have to tell their kids why Sally & Tom have 2 mommies or 2 daddies? How 'bout the child being ridiculed in school because he/she has a couple of queers for parents? This is the kind of burden i'm talking about. It's not fair to the child.

I HIGHLY doubt this. More likely you have gay aquaintances who wonder how a Christian can be so bigoted when you're not around.

You can believe whatever you want. The fact of the matter is that you started this... off topic no less.... Moreover, seemingly looking for validation on your own opinions. Validating is for the insecure.

Again, I wonder about how many gay people you actually know, and how many you've actually had conversational discourse with. With the statements you've made, I HIGHLY doubt that you've really taken the time to talk to (m)any homosexuals. You use words like "most children of gay couples," yet you don't seem to have a decent enough grasp on anything other than your EXTREMELY narrow Christian viewpoint. It's ALL about your PERSONAL beliefs--for you to not see that is ridiculous.

Make up your mind, is it my PERSONAL beliefs or is it my Christian viewpoint. If it's my Christian viewpoint, which it is, then it wouldn't be personal.. it'd be a collective understanding on a spiritual philosophy, shared by all that subscribe to the same.

For those following at home, the score:
HeavenSent: 0
Actual dialogue: -43

No for those that give a shit, it's HeavenSent with nothing better to do at the moment than to entertain the TRUE HATER.

I'm glad you're an expert on sexuality. What's your degree in and where did you get it from, again?

Again, you're the one reaching for some validation. Common sense is good enough for me.

I'm saying that you come down on PETA for not letting people choose for themselves, but you're coming down on homosexuals for exactly that reason.

Hey asshole, Christian hater. The only thing you got on me is your preconceived ideas of Christians in general. There's a lot of evil people out there claiming to be Christian and throwing the things that God really cares for out the window, while promoting all kinds of rules, rituals and traditions that confuse the truth and discourage true seekers of God's comforting relationship.
Did you see the video? I'm just agreeing with Penn & Teller and you, like a spider, try to pull me into your web of self-righteous confusion.

Tell you what, PM me your mailing address and I'll print up a t-shirt for you that just has "HYPOCRITE" in large letters across the front and back. That way, people don't even have to wonder when they're talking to you. Or, more likely, when they're making fun of your bigoted ass behind your back.

HAHA For everyone pointing their finger at me, there three more fingers pointing back at them. HAHA Like i really care what what your kind think. Truth is all that matters in this world, and you and your kind will be instructed in the next life to get with the Godly program or cease to exist. It's your choice.

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hey, you guys should all check out this link.
crazy stuff happening in my country

http://dwdtv.org/humanrights.html

[Kolar]

just so yous all know, heavensent doesnt talk for all christians.

Unfortunately he speaks for a good majority of them. This 'moral' majority has to stop bringing this issue into politics because as much as they might believe some super deity tells them to oppresse, segregate and in some cases hurt and kill some "mentally ill" people or that social control is the Government's top priority; it is unconstitutional, illegal and an a front to our freedom as much as is chaining up all the black people or throwing all Chinese people into labour camps. We have a long history of brutal, sick and disgusting oppression in our society. I think it's time to end it, this isn't the 1950s or the 1500s.

[Squeezer]

Heavensent, you're an incredible bigot. I am ashamed that I live in a country where a large portion of the people think with your mindset. I have multiple homosexual friends, and two friends raised by homosexuals (one by men, another by women), both of whom are normal enough, one of whom gets more women, and more sex than anybody I have ever met. Furthermore, I have yet to meet a gay who is out to destroy the moral fabric of our society, or alienate the beliefs of others. What they want, much like the civil rights movements in the 60's, is to be treated as equal. They want to be seen as people, and allowed the same rights as everyone else. As surprising as you may find this, they do not want Christianity to fall, nor do they want you to stop believing their lifestyle is erroneous. All they want is the same rights and privledges heterosexuals have. They want the ability to adopt a child. They want the ability to marry, and have an official legal document showing their love for another. They don't want to be treated any differently than you or I. Perhaps if you stopped calling them fags, and actually sat down to speak to a few, you would understand these ideas.

Honestly, I do not see a difference between you and a neo-nazi Derek Vinyard type. And to think, we have a president, and a majority of our congress that thinks the same way.

[PaulOakenfold]

Don't be a faggot Squeezer