What an ignorant fuck

[Izor]

You know Osama Bin Laden was a CIA informant/agent right? He was sent to Afghanistan with a shit load of weapons to train a group of young boys to fight off the Communist party from taking over the middle east. Al queda, the terrorist group you say that was breeded in Afghanistan spawned off an American creation. Saddaam Hossein. Another guy that USA helped out to take out Iran, who was threatening of cutting off oil relations that won't be beneficial to the United States. Pretty much every incident that occurs is spawned off of some political agenda that was set in place because of the conflict that went on during the Cold War.

I dont get the point of this argument. Are you trying to imply that the US government was supposed to be able to forsee getting backstabbed by these people? Or are you just another conspiracy theorist who thinks that our government set up these organizations so that we can get shot at?

Have you been to those middle eastern countries? Do you know how poor those people are. Do you know how lucky we are in this country. How we waste sooo much. How they fight just to get some water. some food. You think they are proud of the fucking taliban? NO! what can they do about it? Nothing! If they even attempt to say one word. Boom! Headshot! Yeah, read this book called Kite Runner, you might understand how life is like in Afghanistan. I been to Iran and it aint no better. It's Afghanistan's refugee haven. And it wasn't that great.

Why do we care about how bad some other guy is suffering? Sad shit happens all the time within our own borders, so why worry about the people over there? No sympathy here; I dont even like the terrorist-spawning assholes. BTW, look at how all the men there treat their women. Barbaric at best. Is this too an act of the government letting down the people? Is that only the fucking taliban? Of course not, but they still as a people have done nothing to advance themselves into anything decent. There is no adequate defense for treating people so crudely so I think you have a lot of explaining to do on how nice and happy these people would be even if they did have money.

I looked at all the citizens their. normal people just living their lives. the real criminals is the so called 'religious' governments. Honestly I hate any type of government that acts upon the 'word of God'. God doesn't tell you to kill someone in any language, in any book.

So what you're saying basically is that we should be doing what we're doing in Iraq to other nations correct? Because if we root out these governments who are using religion to control their people, their people will no longer have the will to fight us, since they're mostly decent. Their quality of life will improve with governments who arent focused on helping terrorists so damn much and can start focusing on their own people.

[Sarien]

Time to bust out some science, I'm feeling pretty good.

He has more e-credits than me? good for him.

Means that he's a pretty regular poster here, with usually pretty good content, so in a bitch fight between the two of you that involves you chucking bigoted trolling into one of his threads, odds are you're gonna get kicked in the ass for it.

Not sure how exactly that factors into this conversation but maybe if you lived a bit closer to NY and went to high school/college with people who have died in iraq/afghanistan you would feel differently.

I'm 30, there would be very few people that would be over there that aren't fairly younger than I am.

These places fucking breed terrorism,

No. Places don't breed terrorism, Societies and way way more importantly: perceived inequalities breed terrorism. Imagine that.

yes no shit its a small % of population but you cant battle these radicals with conventional thinking.

This shows precisely what category of dumbass you are. You're the category of dumbass that will fall for specious reasoning most every time, because it sounds good. You'll swallow it hook, line, and sinker, and then when it comes even remotely time; you'll vomit it all back up over people mixed in with your own bigotry and ignorance, and then wonder why they won't agree with you or understand you.

Its not racism its my view, im not tryin to impose my side onto people its just how i feel and this is a general discussion forum I thought.

You don't have to impose your viewpoint to be a bigot.

I'm not using just 9/11 as an excuse, look at the embassy bombing in kenya in 1998, us. cole bombing, black hawk down affair, WTC bombing in '93.

No, you're using only terroristic incidents perpetrated by muslims as an excuse for your bigotry. Believe me, there are plenty and more by non muslims in the US and the world over.

You have your views which is cool but you really think all those people who arent terrorists in afghan are really that innocent?

I dunno, do you think all the people that aren't terrorists in Ireland are all that innocent? How about all the people that aren't terrorists in say Croatia, or Japan, or Russia, or the Phillipines, or any other country on earth?

yes no shit its a small % of population but you cant battle these radicals with conventional thinking.

One last word about this, because this really gets me. What is the super awesome radical thinking that we're supposedly doing now? Pouring money by the billions down a goddamn hole for the 'War on Terror'? How about the cost in loss of civil liberties to our own citizens of the US? How about mismanagement, misappropriation, corruption, and politicking by the US's own government? That sounds pretty fucking conventional to me. Hell there's a dozen ways that is so conventional. I mean shit it worked for the 'War on Drugs' didn't it? Oh wait, I mean, it Worked in Somalia right? Shit.. ok no.. Wait, It worked in Vietnam, didn't it? Damnit all. It worked for prohibition, at least until we got tired of it. Wait, what do you mean prohibition helped fuel the rise of widespread violence and murder? And the war on drugs too? Shit!.. Ok. Hrmm. Maybe we ought to stop declaring as military targets things that are, I dunno, to be dealt with by pretty much EVERYTHING ELSE. Customs, Law Enforcement, Border Patrol. Screw that shit though, that's not glamorous. No catchy names like 'War on inefficient and criminal government' to be had.

You and people that behave just like you is the A number one reason the United States managed to piss away every ounce of goodwill the world had for us after the September 11th attacks. I'm ashamed to have to consider people like that my fellow countrymen.

[winipcfg]

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Basically what he said, smokes, was go die. Because I know you don't have the capacity to contemplate other people's opinions or read more than 100 words of text at a time.

[Izor]

Places don't breed terrorism, Societies and way way more importantly: perceived inequalities breed terrorism. Imagine that.

If their society is breeding terrorism to us why do we not neutralize their society? Is their life really more important to you than yours? Simple concept that even you can understand. Pretty much a life or death decision. Theyll eventually hit close to your home with a terrorist attack since nothing you can say on an internet forum about how much you wish for these people's well-being is going to stop them for disliking you cause you're american. After that point its already a bit late right?

As for the 'war on <insert name>' I understand that it is impossible to completely stop drug traffic into the US and also stop terrorist acts, but its our government's job to protect us from threats to our lives. Do you not agree that drugs and terrorism threaten our lives? I respect the attempt to at least try something. Sure it ended up being a grand waste of money but in your mind unless something succeeds 100% its a total failure right? Lets just stand by and let this shit happen to us cause some libs would rather be sending food and supplies to starving kids and women in north korea and africa. Speaking of excellent uses for our money..

[Troll King]

American society breeds idiots like Izor and Smokes here. By that logic, one could argue that America should be nuked before this brand of idiocy spreads. Hell, one could probably argue that attitudes like theirs creates more anti-American feelings. That too could lead to more terrorism.

I wouldn't argue that position however, because I understand that they are far from a majority and they definitely don't represent all Americans. But again, under their logic, that wouldn't be a factor.

[Zerzera]

I agree with the guy, just nuke the whole fuckin middle east including israel.

There would be a little problem here, the economy of the United States needs alot of foreign oil to keep running. And the only reason the United States didn't go bankrupt yet is the trust that other countries have in the US economy.
Most of the investments the goverment does is payed by countries like China, who buy obligations. The debt is about $8 trillion, and noone would want the world to lose trust in the horse we are all betting on.
This is why the US still gets oil despite living on wrong foot with alot of these countries, the policy makers in that country have a load of dollars and what not, they wouldn't want it to turn into useless paper.

So to get back to your statement, nuking the oilfields would mean the end of the world economy.

[genocidal]

You can't argue logic with someone who says "nuke the whole midle east my freidns are dead b/c of the sand that breads terrorism".

Izor, anything could potentially be a life/death situation. Your neighbour could kill you tomorrow because he's sick of you playing video games and listening to 50 cent until 5 AM everyday when he has a job. Are you going to neutralize him?

If we "neutralize" the Middle East, don't you think that would endanger us even more as it would breed more anti-American hatred and terrorism? It's not feasible to destroy every person that could dislike America in the future.

[gran guerrero]

im done argueing with you lot. if you want to continue thinking like you are, then go ahead. Not going to say anything anymore cause gen is right. you stupid assholes just won't absorb anybodies word, but is willing to dish out a thousand of your own.

[Sarien]

If their society is breeding terrorism to us why do we not neutralize their society?

Man you really missed that whole other half of that sentence that I pointed out that said "way way more importantly", didn't you?

As for the 'war on <insert name>' I understand that it is impossible to completely stop drug traffic into the US and also stop terrorist acts, but its our government's job to protect us from threats to our lives. Do you not agree that drugs and terrorism threaten our lives?

No, our government's job is most certainly not to protect us from threats to our lives. Our government's job is to and I quote: Establish Justice, Insure Domestic Tranquility, Provide for the Common Defense, Promote the General Welfare, and Secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity.

I don't what you'd call throwing trillions of dollars over the years on re-election crusades to look good, but I sure as hell don't call it many of the above.

And as to drugs and terrorism being threats to our lives, no. I feel they're a much greater threat to our liberty than our lives. That's the hell of it. Take all the people that have died to illegal drugs, and terrorist actions, and then take all the citizens that have their liberties curtailed in the name of "War On..." and see which number is higher. Considering the population of the US is roundabout 300 million, I'm pretty sure I know which one it is. And moreso, to my mind, every single person that is OK with giving up a few of their "less important" freedoms in order to feel safer when they go to bed at night, have no idea what this country is supposed to be about.

Lets just stand by and let this shit happen to us cause some libs would rather be sending food and supplies to starving kids and women in north korea and africa. Speaking of excellent uses for our money..

Libs. Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you, the Genius of Retard-Town. If you want to know what I mean, look up any post of mine ever that contains the words liberal or conservative. Jeez.

American society breeds idiots like Izor and Smokes here.

You have your views which is cool, but do you really think all those people who aren't Izor or Smokes in America are really that innocent?

I love doing things like that.

[Chao.]

And the only reason the United States didn't go bankrupt yet is the trust that other countries have in the US economy.

I knew I could find an amusing post somewhere in this topic if I looked hard enough.

[Liquid Blue]

Some people go out of their way to say things they know are offensive to get a long-winded reaction. After somone gets hot under the collar and writes 3 paragraphs in reply, said idiot will just laugh and continue to spew the same stuff over and over. So don't let them bother you too much, it's just the internet.

EDIT: Was talking to Gran.

[Zerzera]

I knew I could find an amusing post somewhere in this topic if I looked hard enough.

Checked the balance lately?

Bread and games.

[Chao.]

Checked the balance lately?

Bread and games.

By amusing I meant your posts in every topic concerning conflicts around the world wherein you try to instigate arguments with your Anti-America soapbox speeches. The fact that there may be a grain of truth among the loads of propagandized bullshit you spew out on a daily basis doesn't really concern me. Have a nice day, Torq.

[Izor]

You can't argue logic with someone who says "nuke the whole midle east my freidns are dead b/c of the sand that breads terrorism".

Izor, anything could potentially be a life/death situation. Your neighbour could kill you tomorrow because he's sick of you playing video games and listening to 50 cent until 5 AM everyday when he has a job. Are you going to neutralize him?

If we "neutralize" the Middle East, don't you think that would endanger us even more as it would breed more anti-American hatred and terrorism? It's not feasible to destroy every person that could dislike America in the future.

Yeah, my neighbor could do that, but he has showed no signs of it. If he was throwing rocks and molotov cocktails through my windows for weeks at a time then I would have to do something wouldnt I?

No, our government's job is most certainly not to protect us from threats to our lives.

The primary job of every government is to protect its citizens. I know you understand that they cant ensure our liberty or other rights if we're not even alive so I'll leave it at that.

If you want to know what I mean, look up any post of mine ever that contains the words liberal or conservative. Jeez.

I wasnt really making the point that you're a lib even though you obviously are. I was trying to say that we have much bigger wastes of money that are really REALLY more pointless than trying to stop terrorism such as sending food and supplies to north korea and africa to let starving people suffer for another day, because obviously thats the humane thing to do.

If we "neutralize" the Middle East, don't you think that would endanger us even more as it would breed more anti-American hatred and terrorism? It's not feasible to destroy every person that could dislike America in the future.

lol who likes arabs except france? but anyway yes obviously it isnt feasible to destroy their whole society without being 'genocidal', but my hope is that if we overthrow some of their governments like we are doing in iraq and show their citizens what it means to live a decent life, they will change over time into something less barbaric. Force a change in their society is a better way to phrase that.

[Hakaku]

lol who likes arabs except france? but anyway yes obviously it isnt feasible to destroy their whole society without being 'genocidal', but my hope is that if we overthrow some of their governments like we are doing in iraq and show their citizens what it means to live a decent life, they will change over time into something less barbaric. Force a change in their society is a better way to phrase that.

You're thinking is the exact cause to what breeds terrorism in the world. Just because Al-Qaeda originates from Islamic countries, doesn't make the entire population of those countries terrorists. Every country has or has had these problems, here are some examples: Canada (FQL, but I disagree), Cambodia (Khmer Rouge), Japan, Egypt, United-States (Al-Qaeda), Iraq (US), and the list can go on.

Forcing someone else to change is difficult and practically impossible if they aren't willing (psychology). How would you react if Saudi Arabia decided one day that George Bush was an ass hole, and the whole country should suffer their occupation for as long as no one rebels (they'd also be the ones monitoring your government), and if you kept rebelling they'd imput their Islamic laws into your constitution? Pretty illogical, but that's vaguely how it is seen. Work with them, and they'll work with you. Force them, and they'll ignore you.

BTW, Guantanamo Bay should be abolished.