Hmmm - Izor's thread

[genocidal]

I'll be one of the last to defend Izor, especially on the point he was making in that thread, but he made it clear that he wasn't asking for his ban to be lifted. It seemed like he wanted to have a discussion, no matter how rehashed, about the racism policy. Why close it?

[Kolar]

Because it was about his ban.

[Izor]

because they think that I really care about a 7 day ban in the off season when I havent even been playing. Regardless I'll probably ?message rudy, but this racism policy is inconsistent and thats why I brought it to the forum - for discussion not directly related to lifting my ban, but brought about because of it. I can make fun of brits and canadians at will. The only difference is theyre (mostly) white. Sure I'm makign the cliche argument that racism doesnt count against white people, but isnt that exactly whats happening?

EDIT: It's not an illegal post here because I am questioning the policy, and not my ban.

[Kolar]

Then make that case, even though you're wrong. Clearly not all Canadians, not even a majority now are white. Even though America and the UK are not multicultural a good portion of their population is not white. In fact Europe is being flooded by people from Africa and the middle east right now.

[Hakaku]

I'll have to side with Izor on that racism comment. I've seen far worst, especially in acro events where maybe 20 jewish and african jokes, said by the same person, with 3 moderators just sitting there in spec doing nothing. I found it highly offensive, and this '?help' thing, doesn't even work.

The mexican joke isn't racism, since Mexican isn't a race. And saying it's discriminism is pushing it a bit far. In Canada, it'd be like comparing it to a newfie joke, do you consider that racism also? It's the same concept.

[Vys]

I live in britain and it is mostly white. The people that play this game from britain are all white. Few Black people play this game from the looks of gallery. I seriously don't see how people can get offended by racist jokes. I'll understand if you know someone is mexican and you called them a mexican lazy pos, then yes that is racist but on ss now even if you just say something like "shut up you mexican" you can get banned, even if you know the person and staff know the person is not a mexican you get banned, why? Ok so if i call Cape a paky its racist, but some guy called Paky Dude can play? It's quite ironic that when staff knew that i was vys on the name "paky" warned me then told me to change my name, but when i said "ok, but do the same to paky dude, they removed the warning and let m keep it".
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[Troll King]

Kolar, that just creates too many loopholes and mixed messages and provides people who are racist against other people with the excuse of saying: "why is it okay there but not here?". By the definition of race, American and Canadian do count just as much as Mexican or Black or Jewish. That's just looking at the wording of racism and the rules. It's the same if you're looking at the spirit and intent of the rules.

[genocidal]

I think the spirit of the rule is fine in the case of racism in TW. People know that they are pushing it when they call, for example, a random SMod and dean of staff a Mexican. It's not a fucking surprise when they get banned for it because it was clearly discriminatory; especially when you tack on the "mowing lawns" bit.

Conversely, if someone is too ignorant to know when they're pushing the limits as far as racism goes they don't deserve to infest a free-speech-to-the-extreme, with virtually no social reprecussions for what one says, internet community.

[Ewan]

Even though America and the UK are not multicultural a good portion of their population is not white.

I don't know about America, but the UK is pretty multicultural.

[genocidal]

Not that it even matters, but UK's 92.1% white population is hardly multi-cultural (granted they are of various Scottish, Irish, Welsh, etc. descent but come on, they're white).

[Kolar]

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Please leave this forum.

Kolar, that just creates too many loopholes and mixed messages and provides people who are racist against other people with the excuse of saying: "why is it okay there but not here?". By the definition of race, American and Canadian do count just as much as Mexican or Black or Jewish. That's just looking at the wording of racism and the rules. It's the same if you're looking at the spirit and intent of the rules.

You just have to distinguish race from nationality where it is applicable. Both countries are not defined by one race/color or ethnicity and developed heavily on immigration. While I can see how it would apply if a good majority of Canadians or Americans were white and had little to no immigration or other cultural infulences, it does not apply here.

Multiculturalism is more about the laws and social strutures that are open and allows for people to retain their culture while "fitting" in with the rest of us.

[Izor]

Clearly not all Canadians, not even a majority now are white.

The fuck?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Canada

This is also getting off topic but I just wanted to know where the hell exactly your head is located in your asshole.

Back on topic: even these people who think I'm a racist fuck are agreeing with me on this lol. The policy in general is just inconsistent. You (staffers) refuse to ban any type of discrimination that is against white people that arent jewish, outside of the term 'cracker'. I routinely slam frenchies, canadians, brits, swedes, and other stereotypes that fall under said category with nothing but the occasional laugh from staffers who find the humor in it. Insulting a frenchman's courage is equally as demoralizing and insulting as calling a mexican someone only worthy of bitch labor, or at the very least they're both pretty insulting. Having policy like this just leaves the door open for abuse imo, as staff can be very selective on what they ban for and even who they ban for it.

[Hakaku]

Define Mexican: root origin, México. A Mexican is a native or inhabitant of Mexico.
Define Mexico: México is a country located in North America, bordered at the north by the United States, and at the south by Guatemala and Belize in Central America.

Find me a dictionary that says Mexican is a race, as well as Canadian and American. Those are countries and people native to them, not races. Discrimination is a completely different word, and for it to be offensive, you really have to have motive and stand by that (e.g. STFU Hakaku, you ****ing good-for-nothing, igloo-living Canadian!).

As stated, DISCRIMINATION IS NOT THE SAME AS RACISM. It's like a policeman charging you for the wrong thing. If you can't word things properly, maybe you should consider learning what is and what isn't before you jump to conclusions.

Edit: I agree with the french part. I've heard 1000 times ppl say something along the lines of "french ppl are fags". Staff don't care, even though I'm french and do find it offensive, I know it's not completely intended, so I let it be. And what about when people say "americans are fat", is that also racism under your definition?

[Troll King]

You just have to distinguish race from nationality where it is applicable. Both countries are not defined by one race/color or ethnicity and developed heavily on immigration. While I can see how it would apply if a good majority of Canadians or Americans were white and had little to no immigration or other cultural infulences, it does not apply here.

Multiculturalism is more about the laws and social strutures that are open and allows for people to retain their culture while "fitting" in with the rest of us.

And as I wrote in Izor's thread, race is defined as "a group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution". You can't simply distinguish nationality from race when, by definition, it's a part of it.

This responds to both Kolar and Hakaku.

[Hakaku]

And as I wrote in Izor's thread, race is defined as "a group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution". You can't simply distinguish nationality from race when, by definition, it's a part of it.

This responds to both Kolar and Hakaku.

My dictionary doesn't state it as nationality, neither does any of these dictionaries
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=...A+racism&meta=

If you can't back up your source, don't try.