Hmmm - Izor's thread

[Kolar]

As the wiki states Izor you can not assume all of those who selected Canadian or English are of British decent or are even white.

[Vys]

I think kolar is not white

[Kolar]

I think kolar is not white

QS kids are on thin ice here.

[Izor]

I wasnt referring to that, the table below it says that there are 13.4% visible minorities. Meaning that 85% of your country is in the majority, being white. If you dont know how to read a table I cant help you.

Now, on topic again. By insulting mexicans, I am not insulting the hispanic race. I am insulting the nation of mexico, whose population seems to like illegal immigration into the united states to do labor such as..mowing lawns. Mexicans are part of a race, yes, but I am not insulting the whole race by insulting them. As a parallel, Nigerians are notorious for phishing, or at least were at one point. The majority of Nigeria is, obviously, black. Now if I was going around pub calling people nigerian phishers, I would not get warned for this. Why? because I'm referring to the people of a country and not a race overall.

EDIT: QS kids are on thin ice, but if you'll remember I kicked ivf out of quicksand on soft lock (or made him leave). It was public and the log was posted on forum. What you will now do is take back your word for associating us with him. ty for your cooperation

EDIT2: Why is this in general discussion? This is an open discussion about TW staff's racism policy and belongs in that forum. It is not about what this board defines as racist or not.

[Troll King]

My dictionary doesn't state it as nationality, neither does any of these dictionaries
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=...A+racism&meta=

If you can't back up your source, don't try.

As I cited in Izor's thread, that definition was straight from Dictionary.com.

Also Merriam-Webster lists: "a class or kind of people unified by shared interests, habits, or characteristics".

Also Cambridge Dictionary lists: "a group of people who share the same language, history, characteristics".

All three are commonly accepted and credible sources. Now trust me when I say this, I am the last person on this forum you want to challenge by saying "if you can't back up your source, don't try".

[Hakaku]

Dictionary.com: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racism
I see no definition saying it directly ties to nationality, just to a group, therefore the word mexican used in context is discrimination according to standards and by Canada's Book of Laws.

[Troll King]

It doesn't say "group" either. The page in your link says "discrimination or prejudice based on race", and if you took the extra step to look up what that same source says about race, it includes the definition I cut and pasted directly from them.

[Hakaku]

Mexico consists primarily of Aboriginals and European originated immigrants. So how exactly does race apply to both at the same time? Not every Mexican is the same, in fact, some Aboriginal peoples deny being Mexican because of their ethnicity and past. The European origin people don't have the same past as the Aboriginals either, and both groups are still in constant conflict (ex: Zapatistas). Therefore questioning the meaning of nationality and the belonging of the Aboriginals.

[genocidal]

Oh my Jesus the saviour in Christ alive, it's fucking racism.

[Ward]

Not only to say that I'm against all the bullshit fuckin racism policies, but Izor callin PL a fuckin mexican in no way deserves a ban. Dont think I know any other game, even games that are run by professional moderators enforce any stupid racism policies. All this rule does is diminish the population in the fuckin zone due to bans. So what if some newbie called another a n*gger or a j*w, I highly doubt it offends anyone. I know you can say "hehe well this is trench wars if you don't like it leave it". Well FUCK YOU I'm just stating my opinion here.

On a second note, if someone calls me a stupid Russian or a dumbass Canadian, that person will not get banned. Why? The whole thing is from the biased point of view. You can't insult blacks or j*ws, but you can go ahead and talk about white people and whatnot. What's the point of having racism policy in the first place? Bots dont recognize racism other than certain words, but racism happens all the time anyway.

[Sarien]

It's like a bunch of people with fucking broken knives trying to stab another, this thread.


Here.. I'll spell it out plain as day for all of you. Sick to death of idiots the world over attempting to explain away and justify their idiotic use of racism. Specifically Izor, because he's one of the worst about it. He acts like he had no idea.

He's been warned for racism many times over, at least here on the forums, god only knows how many times it's happened in game. He also knows if he'd left race completely out of the picture he wouldn't have gotten shit. It's a fucking cop out and I'm tired of it. From now on, any racially disparaging remarks I see him make whatsoever on this fucking forum is gonna get him a ban. And no, Izor, I don't give a fuck if you evade. Evade and say what you want, and I'll delete your fucking posts and ban your new name. I as a mod grow really fucking weary of this subject. It was bad enough reading about it as a user, but good sweet christ. How many warnings does it take to get it through your head?

I can understand a person that believes whatever bigoted drivel nonsense making a slip once in a while. It sucks, but if they're an intelligent person that wants to be part of this community, they suck it up, and abide the rules. I didn't make the rules, but I did agree to uphold them when I was asked to be a forum mod. You can call it persecution, or say that I'm abusing. Hell maybe they'll remove me from a forum mod position, if you're lucky. But in the meantime, you've been warned enough I think. If you want me off your back about it, there's a real simple solution. Be part of the community and contribute without the bullshit Internets race rebel bit. Do it and keep doing it, unless it's no longer an issue before you have your next "slip up". We don't want it, and we don't need it. It's against the rules and you know it. You can be plenty insulting without resorting to that shit, and get off completely free.

And for the inevitable people that are going to blah blah blah post about how I'm being too hard on a person that is "just trying to have a conversation", get over it. This is how people are going to treat you in the real world when you act like an ass. I'm not mad or even frustrated with Izor. I'm just done. End of the line, and no further.

Yes, I am aware of your racist posts to your non racist posts are outweighed heavily in the non racism category. That'a a good thing. I'm just saying you better watch your ass, or i'll have to exercise my petty power. And if saying this kinda shit to you is what it's gonna take to keep you on the straight and narrow, then you can see I'm perfectly willing to do so.

[Izor]

That post, as well thought out as it may or may not have been, doesnt explain how making fun of mexicans is racist. By saying 'mow my lawn you fucking mexican' I'm not making fun of the hispanic race, as there are many hispanics from countries other than Mexico.

To go by demographics, Kolar tried saying that Mexico is way more hispanic than Canada is white. This is not true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Mexico
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Canada

Canada is about 85% white, whereas Mexico is about 90% hispanic. By making fun of canada, I must be violating that policy also, correct? But I see it happen all the time, and no one gets banned for it. So why would staff one-sidedly enforce this policy of making fun of countries?

Point is, Mexicans are as close to being their own race as Canadians, Swedes, and many other nation-based groups are. If youre going to legalize making fun of one, how can you not do so the others?

EDIT: if I was being racist I would know, since I often times am being racist with things. But this is not one of those times, and even you should understand that punishing me on the basis of "Well, look at all the times we didn't catch him" is stupid, because I already know you dont think that way

[duel pasta]

sigh - I just can't understand why people would be offended if you call them a stupid mexican.. I mean you do come from mexico so that makes you a mexican and well you can't help it your born stupid, so stupid mexican is just the truth it's not beeing racist. if someone calls me a stupid dutcher I just laugh, because how the hell can you be offended by 'stupid dutcher'? people these day or offended way to fast!

[Troll King]

Just stop, Izor. Your protests about how the rule should be applied across evenly fall flat when you deny your own guilt. Your history of racism makes any stance you take on this issue suspect. You seem to have a pathological need to throw race and racism into seemingly every argument you have. Seriously, get some help for that. Anger management, counseling, anything that will help you because this is becoming far too common an occurrence. Critics can argue all they want about forum rules being too concerned with political correctness, but when someone keeps bringing race into things when it really has nothing to do with anything, political correctness isn't the problem.

But going back to how the racism rules should apply, your use of Mexicans should count, but so should instances where people are being discriminating against Americans or White people or Jews. All the arguing about what is and what isn't a race is pointless, as the term "race" is broad enough that it can include all those groups. When you start arguing about the semantics, you forget the intent of the policy, which isn't about what can be said and what can't. It's about fairness and equality. Izor's stance seems to be that if the rule doesn't apply to certain groups then it shouldn't apply to any groups at all; that is flawed logic as the approach should be that the same rules must be applied to all instances. The spirit of the rule should be inclusive instead of exclusive.

[Sarien]

Grandmother End-All Be-All

Alright, I don't believe I have to explain one of the most simple aspects of life to you guys. This should have been fundamental learning.

People are different. They come in all kinds of different shapes and sizes, and more importantly, they each come power packed with different mentalities and pre-concieved notions.

The "No Racism" policy when you read it, you should be translating it in your head to what it really means. "No offending people in charge by using race. If I do, they're gonna get me." Ok.. saying hey mexican, and hey canadian.. same thing in principle. Not the same thing in effect. Why? Because the policy is a subjective policy. It's left to a mod's discretion, as it should and has to be. So what does it take? Basically you have to write something that is offensive to the person typing the commands/pushing the button. It's subjective, and not objective. If you're in the least bit of doubt about what I mean by that, look both those words up. This is the rule set you're playing with. You don't like it? You ain't gonna change it, so hit the road. I agree with the rule. I like it fine and I agree with it. I've always liked it fine. I've managed to rack up almost 1,800 posts in my years here, and in that time not a race related insult among them.

So what's the solution? As I've said time and time again, if you want to be part of the place, you have to play by the rules. If you need to insult someone, there's a million ways to do it, and leave race completely out of the picture. Don't do it. Don't push the envelope. Leave it out, and you won't get tagged for it. It's called "behaving". If you put a race or a nationality into an insult, you run the risk of offending someone with the power to ding you for it. And that's just how it is. The issue is not black and white, it's more along the lines of taunting a bear with a steak. You can keep on, but each time is a risk, and when you get nailed, you don't get to turn around and feign upset, when you were bearbaiting the whole time.