Hmmm - Izor's thread

[Izor]

You seem to have a pathological need to throw race and racism into seemingly every argument you have.

????????? Only recently when the topic most certainly is largely due to race differences (middle east threads)

Izor's stance seems to be that if the rule doesn't apply to certain groups then it shouldn't apply to any groups at all; that is flawed logic as the approach should be that the same rules must be applied to all instances. The spirit of the rule should be inclusive instead of exclusive.

As I said, I dont really mind that ban. I feel that it is unjust, but only because discrimination by nationality only gets banned in certain situations. If you let it go in 90% of cases, why punish it in 10%? To compare this to other aspects of racism, such as racial ethnicity, this is comparative to banning people for using the words sp** and n****r, but not cr****r or g**k (LOL that game of fill in the blanks is hard). It really just undermines the whole policy imo and makes it a joke.

Ok.. saying hey mexican, and hey canadian.. same thing in principle. Not the same thing in effect. Why? Because the policy is a subjective policy. It's left to a mod's discretion, as it should and has to be.

The policy is only subjective in that I can refer to mexicans like this: "Texas and California have a lot of illegal mexicans living there" which is not discriminatory to them. The discretionary part is determining what is discrimination toward a group and what isnt. "A hamburger eatin' yank" most certainly is discrimination against americans, but you wont see anyone get banned for it even if a mod were present/being called that. It is NOT at a mod's discretion to determine which races/groups are going to get preferrential treatment with their protection

[Vykromond]

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[Hydride]

In fact Europe is being flooded by people from Africa and the middle east right now.

Kolar has a point, but it's also because of the issues going on in South Africa; If they weren't having a war about slavery, then I highly doubt that many africans would immigrate to Europe

[genocidal]

Hydride you're probably THE most uninformed person. At least Izor has been informed by his white supermacist and hateful parents.

[Sarien]

It is NOT at a mod's discretion to determine which races/groups are going to get preferrential treatment with their protection

Guess again. That is precisely what discretion it is left to. That is precisely how it works, has always worked, and will always work. You might not like it or agree with it, that's exactly what it is.

Example:
If I didn't mind bigoted nonsense about asians, while moderating it, I could just ignore posts with it in it, and leave it for a different mod to clean up. I don't do that, but I could do so pretty easily. It's the very definition of subjective.

[ZeUs!!]

Not that it even matters, but UK's 92.1% white population is hardly multi-cultural (granted they are of various Scottish, Irish, Welsh, etc. descent but come on, they're white).

Holiday in London

[Jeenyuss]

Hydride you're probably THE most uninformed person. At least Izor has been informed by his white supermacist and hateful parents.

If he wasn't banned he would be more informed.

[Izor]

Example:
If I didn't mind bigoted nonsense about asians, while moderating it, I could just ignore posts with it in it, and leave it for a different mod to clean up. I don't do that, but I could do so pretty easily. It's the very definition of subjective.

Well, you're leaving out also that the person who says it also comes into play. Thanks though for clearing it up that that policy is only there as an excuse to ban people, and not protect people from racism. If the people who made it cared a damn about protecting against discrimination, this would be equally enforced regardless of which stereotype is on the receiving end

can we also agree that my racism does not come into play here? In fact its quite the opposite. I am saying that people of every nationality should be treated with the same protection here. In fact the roles are quite reversed from usual. You're proposing that TW staff continues to show bias against certain people by implying they need to be protected while people from other nations do not, and I'm saying everyone should be treated equally. If you find fault in that, then I do have to ask how you can preach your anti-racism in the first place

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

Thanks though for clearing it up that that policy is only there as an excuse to ban people, and not protect people from racism. If the people who made it cared a damn about protecting against discrimination, this would be equally enforced regardless of which stereotype is on the receiving end

No, he's just saying that you don't catch everyone all the time, you just catch some of the people some of the time and make everyone else think twice about doing it themselves. It's still working to protect the minority, just not through an "iron fist, kick ass on everyone doing anything at all times" method. It's effective, unless you're a jackass little 14 year-old who doesn't learn by example.

[Izor]

I can go through forums, probably just by searching 'fat yank', and show you a bunch of american insults, but staff neither here nor in game does anything about it. Its not a matter of catching something, its a matter of them being biased themselves, whether it be because they dont think the insults 'mean anything' or what. But it is still protected under the racism policy as well as mexicans are

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

Forums are an entirely different beast from in-game, but that's another story.

If someone says "fat yank," I'm inclined not to do anything about it because I myself am a "yank," and don't really give two shits about the term. I actually find it kind of endearing and funny. Does it bother you that much? If it does, I'll go out on the proverbial limb and say that you're caring wayyyyy too much.

Normally, if something doesn't make me wonder or even flinch about being racist, I'll just let it go (like Sarien noted above). However, if someone is offended enough to notice and reports it, I'll edit it. (You yourself, Izor, have done this several times. Is your memory a little shaky these days?)

More or less it comes down to one thing--if you act racist, sooner or later you're going to be bitten by it, so why start/continue? It's a moot point. Racism WILL NOT be tolerated ingame or on these forums. Case closed, end of story. Whether you get caught by it the first time or on your fifth time, your ass will be out roaming MySpace profiles soon enough, because you won't be allowed to participate here.

[Izor]

but you dont think that people who are so eager to defend mexicans are caring wayyyyyy too much?

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

Should it matter to you? Are you Mexican? Maybe someone who's Mexican DOES care? Again, I'd like to point out:

More or less it comes down to one thing--if you act racist, sooner or later you're going to be bitten by it, so why start/continue? It's a moot point. Racism WILL NOT be tolerated ingame or on these forums. Case closed, end of story. Whether you get caught by it the first time or on your fifth time, your ass will be out roaming MySpace profiles soon enough, because you won't be allowed to participate here.

[Troll King]

One problem you have, Izor, is that your arguments might make sense on some level on their own, but when put together, they contradict each other. For instance, if you are so dead set on making sure that Anti-American insults should also lead to staff action, a stance that is admirable in its own right, then stick to it. Turning around and accusing others of caring "way too much" when it's applied to a different matter (and especially with a matter you are currently facing a ban over) not only renders that first stance moot, it shows people that you only care about your particular ban, something you continue to refute, despite how much less convincing each denial becomes.

[Izor]

TK, my personal stance IS that people are caring 'way too much' just like conc said and that people should just let that shit go.

My stance on what staff should do if trying to enforce this type of policy, is enforce it equally so that no one group receives favor. The two contradict each other and that is the source of the confusion.