Shuttle Columbia

[Troll King]

Originally posted by Blast
I still don't understand how anyone can be as stupid as TelCat.

Or maybe you've just got so much of a bias that you don't understand.

[Blast]

Biased against stupid people? I mean, normally, I agree with your posts, TK. But TelCat is mentally deficient in some way. It'd be one thing if you were trying to tell me that I had a lack of understanding of autism or something. I can't say that I do understand a good amount about any forms of mental retardation. I really don't know anything. But if you're trying to tell me that TelCat isn't an idiot, well, I'd like to see some back-up. Show me something that TelCat can do on more than a fifth-grade level. I dare you.

[Troll King]

Firstly, the "1/50 fatal failure rate" comment makes sense, though you seem not to get it. I had earlier stated the statistic of a 1/50 failure rate, but her adjustment is more accurate, as there have been numerous times where things didn't go exactly to perfection with shuttle missions. The difference is that those ones usually resulted in delays or adjustments. The statistic of 1/50 applies more to actual fatalities, and in pointing that out, Telc@t displayed logic and reasoning that is far beyond a fifth-grade level.

And to be quite frank, the whole issue you seem to have with Telc@t's gender seems to be just as stupid or mentally deficient as anything that she's said or done. Perhaps even moreso.

[Blast]

No, I certainly did understand what she meant by that post. I just thought she was an idiot for posting it. How is dividing 100 by 2 beyond a fifth grade level? And what idiot wouldn't understand that it was a fatal failure rate? You made an obvious reference to two disasters, both of which were fatal, if you know anything about the topic we're posting about. Then you mentioned that there were 100 shuttle launches. So, A) her point/correction served no purpose. Anyone with half a brain cell could figure out what you meant. "Not all failures will cause accidents" is hardly profound.

B) This discussion is mainly about whether or not it's worth the risk for astronauts to go up into space. This discussion came up because people DIED. Fatal. Death. This is the topic of discussion. Not whether experiments on plants in space might fail, not because something on the shuttle might have broken and not caused a fatal accident. Her point was entirely irrelevant. It didn't prove anything nor contribute anything to the discussion.

C) My issue with TelCat's gender has more to do with the fact that it's the internet, and TelCat seems to be, as far as I'm concerned, a total liar. TelCat cannot write. How can TelCat be a successful college student? I just don't get it. I've never met an intelligent human being that wrote on a fifth-grade level (that wasn't a fifth-grader). My entire point about the kidnapping, etc, is a joke. I really don't think that's true. However, I find my idea humorous, because I really find it ridiculously hard to believe that a character like TelCat could exist, whether it be the girl in the pictures or not. I'm sorry you don't like my joke, but I don't think humor discrepancies really justify you calling me more mentally deficient than someone that cannot write.

To clarify, I feel no particular animosity towards TelCat, I just find its existence to be really amusing. There was this kid named Ben Schwab in my English class in seventh grade who used to randomly scream things like, "THE ANIMALS ARE COMING! THE ANIMALS ARE COMING!" and then hide under his desk, or jump into the recycling bin. He wasn't all that bright, and he was crazy. If Ben Schwab started posting on these forums, I imagine that his presence would be similar to TelCat's. But I had no problem with that guy. Ben Schwab, okay in my book.

[Troll King]

Her post has as more validity and relevance than your comment on her intelligence. By pointing out that there are more failures than the two that lead to fatalities, she points out the fact that there is even more risk involved in the shuttle program than I had thought. You've also conviently seemed to have ignored the rest of her post in question which was also very relevent to the discussion at hand.

You on the other hand, seem to have the audacity to deign yourself fit to judge who may or may not post. Your assertation that Telcat is "a total liar" and the reasons for it go far to prove your claim of having "no particular animosity towards TelCat" wrong. Laughing it off as a joke and a part of a sense of humour which you say I am not able to grasp is also problematic, as you critique the immaturity of her writing while displaying an equal immaturity of your own. In that light, I think you are even less justified of judging mental deficiency than I am.

Good day.

[Epinephrine]

Blast you're an idiot. Why do you hate Telcat so much?

With that clarified, I'm sure absolutely every single shuttle launch there has been people saying "uh oh something might go wrong!" Most of the time it doesn't and it seems perfectly reasonable to be dismissing these "warnings" unless there is a large reason not to.

About how NASA sacrifices lives for experiments that's sorta funny. NASA goes out of it's way to be excessively safe. They routinely cancel launches because something isn't going right or because the weather is not 100% perfect.

In fact I'd say corporations are much worse. I was talking to an insurance lawyer the other day and he was telling me about the evilness of some corporations. For instance Ford made a car a while back that had a problem with the fuel tank. If it was hit in a certain way it would explode or something. But they realized that to recall the car would cost them X amount of dollars. They realized that they would get so many lawsuits and it would cost them Y amount of dollars to settle them. So using their calculation, they figured it was cheaper not to say anything and just wait for people to get killed and sue. They actually found some company internal memo saying this explicitly and so Ford lost the lawsuit.. but overall the still gained. Now THAT'S evil.

Meanwhile if there ever was a similar calculation going on at NASA it's cause they have a limited budget which they do not control, and the astronauts themselves know the risks involved so the situation is completely different.

-Epi

[pv=nrt]

epi you are talking about the pinto i believe, with the i think $7 fix that would fix the problem. that or the "saddle bag" gas tanks in large trucks.

[Blast]

Originally posted by Troll King
Her post has as more validity and relevance than your comment on her intelligence.
You've got me on that one. I truly am just baffled by TelCat, though. You seem to think that TelCat's forum presence is in some way useful. I do not, and I figured it was worth discussing. I thought perhaps there was something about TelCat that I was missing.
By pointing out that there are more failures than the two that lead to fatalities, she points out the fact that there is even more risk involved in the shuttle program than I had thought.

Uhh, risk of what? If it's not a fatal failure, how is it a dangerous failure? Launchpad delays do not equal fatalities. Anything that doesn't amount to a fatality only risks money, what we're talking about here is the danger in the space program, I still don't see how that's at all relevant.

Your assertation that Telcat is "a total liar" and the reasons for it go far to prove your claim of having "no particular animosity towards TelCat" wrong.

A) You're twisting my words. I said, "seems to be, as far as I'm concerned"... That's hardly an assertation.
What I was saying as far as a lack of animosity goes is that if I met TelCat in real life, I would have no problem with the person, most likely, unless I had to deal with them in a discussion-class type situation, aka, any sort of public forum. This is a public forum, albeit online, and consequently, I find that TelCat's presence here is just absoutely ridiculous, although, in actuality, analyzing TelCat provides me with a hell of a lot of enjoyment.

Laughing it off as a joke and a part of a sense of humour which you say I am not able to grasp is also problematic, as you critique the immaturity of her writing while displaying an equal immaturity of your own.

A) I never said that you couldn't grasp the joke, I said that you didn't like the joke. Again, you're twisting my words.
B) I fail to see the connection between the rather juvenile sense of humor that I display at times and intelligence. I suppose that we've moved onto the phrase "mental deficiency", and I suppose you could call my sense of humor a mental deficiency if you like, but, honestly, I'd throw my sense of humor into the category of social intelligence, and I have yet to find many social situations in real life in which I find myself lacking in said skills, and almost all people that meet me would describe me as at least relatively funny.
C) Unless you're talking about the fact that I'm mean. Some people that I've met I'm sure would describe me as mean, and others would probably describe me as somewhat of a social elitist. So if that's what you're referring to as a deficiency, I suppose I'm guilty as charged.

In that light, I think you are even less justified of judging mental deficiency than I am.

Your main argument here and mine seem to be on different tracks. My entire argument is "TelCat writes like a fifth-grader, and TelCat is stupid." To be honest, I fucking love it when TelCat posts. I'd be sad if she followed my constant advice and actually shut the fuck up. Analyzing and degrading TelCat brings me joy. However, instead of trying to prove to me that TelCat isn't an idiot, you're focusing entirely on pointing out my flaws, all of which I'll admit to having, but none of which actually serve to prove, at least to me, that I have no right to call TelCat an idiot.

So, what are you trying to say here?...

That nobody has the right to call anyone else stupid?
That anyone that has any flaws has no right to call someone else stupid?
That I am stupid?
That TelCat is, in fact, a competent, intelligent, and honest human being, in your estimation, and thus you have no reason to believe this statement untrue?

Originally posted by TelKitty
I I did not ask my parents for a IQ of 150.

I will proceed to find some TelCat quotes that I believe reinforce my position on my belief in the lack of TelCat's intelligence and post them in a thread called, "TelCat is a fucking moron" in the trash talk forum. I anticipate your justifications for any even remotely intelligent human being making these posts.

(insert salutation that makes me sound wise, but also stuck up here)

[Jason]

The bottom line, as Blast has said, is that TelCat is an idiot and is making an even bigger idiot out of herself by making false claims concerning her brain power. You're just picking a bone with Blast, Troll King, because it's what you do. You're Mr. Righteous, always looking out for the little guy (whether he/she be innocent or not).

Blast has every right to laugh at TelCat based upon the nonsensical drivel she's cluttered these forums with. TelCat, on countless occasions, has flaunted her transparently faux intelligence. I seem to recall several posts in which she felt the need to remind everyone of her elevated mental status, not to mention the fact that she's a model student who is passing numerous high-level collegiate courses with flying colors. All of these statements would be simply dandy as far as I'm concerned, were it not for the fact that TelCat seems to lack even the slightest resemblance of a grasp on the English language. She claims to hail from Australia, an English speaking nation. Please explain to me how someone pursuing a college education in an English speaking nation is not capable of constructing coherent sentences in English?

[Troll King]

First, Blast, you're the one who mentioned how the thread was about whether it's worth the risk of sending astronauts to space. Don't ask about what is meant by risk at this stage.

Secondly, the assertation that you'd treat her differently offline than you do online is weak. It only shows what you are willing to do under the shroud of anonymity that you can't do in person. You are right, "seems to be" hardly constitutes being an assertive statement, but "as far as I'm concerned" is.

Your questions about my comments over "mental deficiency" only support my ideas. Change your name and situation with Telc@t and you have the exact same argument coming from the opposite side.

The point about what you may or may not say, but that you are continuing above and beyond responding to simple things that she says. It has gotten to an almost obsessive point. That you would be moved to start a whole new thread underlines that point.

And Jason, if one were to start picking on language usage on these forums, Telc@t is hardly the only example. As an educator myself, I can provide you with many examples of very exceptional students who would not be up to par with your expectations. Despite being in Australia, English may not be her first language of proficiency, but it is the only one that may be appropriate for this medium. English language usage is far from being the best method of evaluating one's abilities. I am speaking from the role of an educator to point out that calling her on this is not just petty, but also socially irresponsible.

It does take some level of intelligence, for example, to have those pictures of her include her holding handwritten notes. This gives the photos more credibility and avoids the issue that usually arises with other people who post pictures, and that's the assumption that it's not really them.

[TelC@t]

Believe it or not, I have being visiting this forum twice a day for the past week, the only difference is that I chose not to reply to most of the threads despite the fact that I was aware of 'what's going on'.

First of all, English is not my 1st language. You should have known this by now.

Second of all, despite the fact I do not mind people throw flames at me every now and then, there is absolutely NO reason for me to NOT ignore anyone who derives pleasure solely from purposely hurting me.
Fine, if by repeating 'TelCat is an dioit', 'TelCat is a transexsual' or 'TelCat is ugly', you boost your ego or get high, feel free to do so - but on one condition, continue your ride on my ignore.

Third of all, I can NOT stand Hypocrites. Saying 'Hello TelCat' and being nice to me in the game every now and then does not compensate for all the despicable words you have recited against me on this forum.

Last of all, I may or may not reply to any of the response to this post, although its likely that I will read all of them.

[Jason]

TK, she openly brags about how smart she seems to think she is. Let me repeat that. SHE OPENLY BRAGS ABOUT HOW SMART SHE SEEMS TO THINK SHE IS. I realize English may not be her first language. I realize not everyone in the world may be up to par with my expectations. However, for someone who claims to have such a wonderful education under her belt, I sure as hell expect to see some intelligent discourse (collegiate level) from her every now and again. Otherwise, she needs to cut down on the pretentious bullshit. It's that simple.

[Blast]

Okay, see, the "English not being TelCat's first language" link was a pretty obviously missing one. If, after all of the zillions of times when TelCat first started posting when people made fun of her English usage, she had said, "English isn't my first language, my native language is ..." I would have believed that. I don't run around calling JeBu mentally deficient because he can't speak English well. It's obvious that he speaks a different language more proficiently. And, TK, no, what I said about meeting TelCat in person doesn't at all imply that I wouldn't make fun of her in person. As I said, if she were in one of my classes, taking over discussions by making competely nonsensical points all the time, I'd have just the same issue. Anyway, it appears this is all moot. My initial point that started this argument, "I can't believe that anyone can be as dumb as TelCat is" was proven correct. Even TelCat is not as dumb as I thought TelCat was. TelCat does not speak English well because TelCat was not born an English speaker. That is all I've been trying to figure out about TelCat since her initial ridiculous "let's bet on the Maryland sniper" post.

[Troll King]

It probably isn't best to assume that everyone speaks English as a first language. To assume that one who doesn't would precede every post with a warning is limiting.

[Jason]

A warning prior to every post certainly isn't necessary. She has, however, never mentioned even once up until now that English isn't her first language. Not to mention she's always referring to her residency in Australia, an English speaking nation.