Qualities for President '08

[Vykromond]

FACT v

rape sometims ocurs in the but

^ FACT

[Facetious]

I still say that in order to get a pro-life bumper sticker, you should have to adopt some poor kid. If you're going to tell other people they have to give birth to their fetuses, you should have to raise the things.

As far as the original topic is concerned:

1) Doesn't think war is going to fix everything
2) Pro gay marriage (or at least equal rights, I don't give a crap if they call it marriage or not)
3) Pro-choice
4) Well-spoken but not a smarmy douchebag

[H I M]

I bet Blueblaze's mother is pro choice. Why didn't she act sooner?

[Galleleo]

C."It may also make them more dependent on men for survival and therefore less able to control their own sexuality, consent to sex, recognize their own victimization or to seek help when victimized. These issues increase their vulnerability to sexual victimization" If this is the case, then the problem here is that the women cannot control their sexual desires, and how sinful sex outside of marriage is.

When you get raped, it's because you said no to someone, but he did it anyway. So the woman says no but she cannot control her sexual desires? And you have stated rape happens within marriage too, so how does this prove that how sinful sex outside of marriage is.

D."Poor women may be at risk for sexual violence because their economic (and, often, educational) status necessitates that they engage in high-risk survival activities, for example trading sex for food, money, or other items"

If you prostitute your body, you raise your odds for rape.

Again blaming poverty? Women chose to be so poor they have to resolve to prostitution so it's their fault they are poor and thus get raped?

E."Poverty also puts women at increased risk of intimate partner violence, of which sexual violence is often one aspect. " The women are already having sex outside of marriage, thus raising their odds for getting raped as well.

How does this prove the women are already having sex outside of marriage, poor equals sex outside of marriage?

Conclusion: If you are living a morally upright godly Christian life which abstains from pre-martial sex, seeking a partner who also shares those beliefs, and taking friendship with people who share those beliefs as well, you will dramatically reduce your risk for rape. If you still deny this, then obviously you have no intelligence and cannot read or comprehend statistics.

Conclusion: You're blatant distortion and abuse of the statistics you used here proves your tunnel vision. No where did you prove that having sex before marriage improves your chances for getting raped. I haven't seen one statistic saying that never has a woman been raped who did not have sex before marriage. Your post proves you have no intelligence and you just blindly follow what some people wrote a hell of a long time ago. The way you interpret these statistics you used says a whole lot about you.

[Galleleo]

Ok, I felt like it, so here goes.

NOTE: NONE OF THESE CAME FROM A "CHRISTIAN" SOURCE, ALL WERE GOVERNMENT OR WELL RESPECTED STUDIES IN RAPE AND ITS STATISTICS

I find it great how everyone grossly takes everything I say out of context.

For starters Kolar, I am referring to rape in first world countries since almost everyone here is considered living in one.

Liquid Blue, it is obvious that you don't know your statistics if you claim only 1% to that and I never claimed that every case of rape was part of the woman's fault, but the odds of getting raped were severally increased by an immoral lifestyle.

1) Dress modestly, that doesn't mean your wearing a full length dress with a vail. Cover up from the knees to the shoulders is what I would consider modest. It would be difficult to find a statistical search on this because obviously my definition of modesty isn't the same as many people, but if you dress modestly, then it will help lower your risks of getting in relationships with absolute pornographic people burned in their lust, people who desire sex before marriage, friends who think with their lusts then mind, etc... While I don't have statistics for this specific point, this obviously effects who you hang around with, and who you hang around with is severally important concerning rape, do some research and look at these statistics.

I have sex before marriage, but I don't look at how modest a girl is dressed to decide if I might want a relationship with her.

2) Make friendship with evidencing Christians who seek sex after marriage. If you hang around ungodly sinful people, you raise your risk.

In 8 out of 10 rape cases, the victim knows the perpetrator (Tjaden and Thoennes 2000).

In the United States, students are allegedly most vulnerable to rape during the first few weeks of the freshman and sophomore years. According to the U.S. Justice Department, 1.7% of college women were victims of completed rape within a six month period, and in 90% of the cases the attacker was known to the victim

90% of women who were raped, atleast in college, knew their victim. If you hang around people who evidence themselves as Christians and seek sex after marriage, then that gets rid of probably 89.9% of rape at college in the cases mentioned. As well, if you end up going to a Christian university, that will even more so lower your odds for rape.

Between 1 in 4 and 1 in 5 college women experienced completed or attempted rape during their college years (Fisher, Cullen, and Turner 2000).

When you go to college, you go to classes, in those classes are people. Over time you get to know these people, you know their names, know their faces. Outside those classes, you chose not to associate with those people because you don't like them all that much. One day, they come and rape you, you know your victim, you know his name, you are in his class. But you never associated with him, you never hung around him outside the classes.

In other words, knowing your attacker doesn't mean you hang around with them.

3) Don't consume alcohol, live a godly lifestyle.

Over 80% of date rapes included the use of alcohol by at least one partner

If you don't consume alcohol or hang around people who do, you remove 80% of your chance for being raped by a date rape drug.

It says that in 80% of the cases alcohol was being used by at least ONE partner, nowhere does it say that in 80% of the cases EVERY time the woman is drinking alcohol. So you can't claim to remove 80% of your chance.

4) Espouce a Godly Christian and don't have sex until marriage.

A national survey found that 10% of women were victims of rape or attempted rape by a husband or intimate partner in their lifetime (Basile 2002).

Of people who report sexual violence, 64% of women and 16% of men were raped, physically assaulted, or stalked by an intimate partner. This includes a current or former spouse, cohabitating partner, boyfriend/girlfriend, or date (Tjaden and Thoennes 2000).

If your sexually active with someone, they are more likely prone to rape, then someone who you are not sexually active with. If you have sex with 50 guys before marriage, and then marry 1 of them, you are a higher risk candidate for rape then someone who has sex with 0 guys before marriage, and then marry 1 of them.

Can I get a.. wtf? Where are the statistics that out of the people that got raped by their partners, that none of those had no sex before marriage. That none of those are not devout Christians? Your claim of Christians that have no sex before marriage never raping anyone is based on nothing. That proves nothing about being with a "saved" one makes you safe.

And no where do I see statistics that not having sex before you marriage means you won't get raped, and that someone who had sex with 50 guys before marriage does get raped. Your arguments on this are so full of holes..

High-risk sexual behavior. As with drug/alcohol use, researchers are trying to understand the complex relationships between sexuality and sexual violence — their causality, directionality, and other etiologic factors that increase vulnerability for victimization are not well understood. Some researchers believe that engaging in high-risk sexual behavior is both a vulnerability factor and a consequence of childhood sexual abuse. Youth with many sexual partners are at increased risk of experiencing sexual abuse (Howard and Wang 2003; Valois et al. 1999).

Having multiple sex partners increases your risk for sexual abuse, and increases your child's risk as well.

I believe it said that the high-risk sexual behaviour comes from being abused in your child-hood, not increases the risks for your child. Just because it has the word child in it, doesn't mean you can decide in what way it relates to children.

5) How you live your life increases your odds

Poverty.* Poverty may make the daily lives of women and children more dangerous (e.g. walking alone at night, less parental supervision). It may also make them more dependent on men for survival and therefore less able to control their own sexuality, consent to sex, recognize their own victimization or to seek help when victimized. These issues increase their vulnerability to sexual victimization (Jewkes, Sen, and Garcia-Moreno 2002). In addition, poor women may be at risk for sexual violence because their economic (and, often, educational) status necessitates that they engage in high-risk survival activities, for example trading sex for food, money, or other items (Wenzel et al. 2004). Poverty also puts women at increased risk of intimate partner violence, of which sexual violence is often one aspect.

A. Poverty may make the daily lives of women and children more dangerous, walking alone at night (why should you walk alone at night? not necessarily sinful always, but not very wise)

You seriously gonna blame women, and especially children for being poor and thus it's their own fault for being raped? Jesus fucking Christ.

B. Less parental supervision (Why arn't parents taking care of their kids, poverty reason, because there is probably a single mom taking care of the child. Most likely there was pre-martial sex which caused the child or divorce (which is not Biblical for Christians to partake). If both parents are present and still in the poverty situation, why are they having children they cannot adequetly provide for, both economically and emotionally? Either a sinful relationship occured, or the parents were having children when they couldn't provide for.

Because the condom broke and they weren't allowed to do an abortion? Because they couldn't afford condoms but were married and where like, hey, we are allowed to have sex now. And since when does sex before marriage cause a divorce? One day they wake up and go. OMG WE HAD SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE WE SHOULD DIVORCE RIGHT NOW.

[thesearcher]

my fault for calling him on point 3 of his what makes a good president. Atleast it has highlighted how messed up your views are blueblaze, i like how with every point you make you bring it back to either, if a woman is raped, it is their fault, or, if that women had been a christian and had had christian friends, they would most likely have not been raped.

to be honest there is no need to argue against your point, all i need do is tell you to re-read Liquid's posts, i believe he takes care of it quite well.

[Zerzera]

Fucking hell, what does rape have to do with abortion. One should be allowed to remove anything growing from their own body. I don't give a shit that you sleep with the bible between your legs, it doesn't harm society so it's none of your business.
I wake up at night crying that the Netherlands will be ruled by Christians again and all our liberties will shift back a few centuries.


Okay, let me steep to your level:
God has taught you that sinners will rot in hell till eternity, so there is no need for you to tell them how they should live their lives or what sins they can't commit.

[Noah]

Please people don't think all christians are like this trolling cunt.

No superted, don't even think you're on his level.

[Liquid Blue]

"22% of females raped are under the age of 12 years; 32% are 12-17 years old; 29% 18-24 years old; 17% over 25 years old. 83% of those raped are under the age of 25 years old."

http://www2.ucsc.edu/rape-prevention/statistics.html

So you like being wrong?

[Blueblaze]

-Trash Talk

Blueblaze,

I welcome diversity of opinions and legitimate debate. But what I don't welcome is when someone manufactures threads in the General Discussion/Pub Chat subforum purely to elicit a visceral, negative response. It's perfectly reasonable to ask that you keep the trash talk to Trash Talk, and useless crap to Useless Crap. But if you want to have a reasonable debate and keep it relatively on topic, then please---I welcome you to stay.

On the other hand, if you want to start a thread about the 2008 elections then quickly end up writing an essay about how Jesus thinks it's cool to rape chicks, then you're pretty much begging for me to decompress the toilet and eject your bullshit threads into space.

Edit: Looks like A to the Q has a different perspective. Whatever. As long as it's out of Gen Disc, problem solved.

Yet again, words in my mouth. Never once have I supported rape, nor think "Jesus thinks it's cool to rape chicks." When you remove God from society, problems such as rape come about, and when you remove God from your lifestyle, you bring these problems upon yourself. Superted, that is a percentage rarity as only about 10% of people who are raped, are raped at a young age.

[Superted]

A while ago there was a 3 year old girl kidnapped from the bath and raped, was that her fault for dressing inappropiatly?

Holy fuck you disgust me.


Please people don't think all christians are like this trolling cunt.

[Liquid Blue]

you fags would do this after i type up two long ass posts

fuckers


sigh

[Liquid Blue]

The adult pregnancy rate associated with rape is estimated to be 4.7%. This information, in conjunction with estimates based on the U.S. Census, suggest that there may be 32,101 annual rape-related pregnancies among American women over the age of 18.17

32,000 babies born out of wedlock, born from rape. Since this is the main point where all this discussion came from, let's take a look at the effects of the rape, since you think it's ok to just have the baby even though the woman has just gone through a traumatic experience:

Non-genital physical injuries occur in approximately 40% of completed rape cases.18 As many as 3% of all rape cases have non-genital injuries requiring overnight hospitalization.19

Victims of rape often manifest long-term symptoms of chronic headaches,fatigue, sleep disturbance, recurrent nausea,decreased appetite, eating disorders, menstrual pain, sexual dysfunction,and suicide attempts.21 In a longitudinal study, sexual assault was found to increase the odds of substance abuse by a factor of 2.5.24

Estimates of the occurrence of sexually transmitted diseases resulting from rape range from 3.6% to 30%.18,22 HIV transmission risk rate from rape is estimated at 1 in 500,22,25 although a few probable cases have been documented in Sweden and Great Britain. 26,27

Victims of marital or date rape are 11 times more likely to be clinically depressed, and 6 times more likely to experience social phobia than are non-victims. Psychological problems are still evident in cases as long as 15 years after the assault.28

Fatalities occur in about 0.1% of all rape cases.29,30

The National Public Services Research Institute estimates the lifetime cost for each rape with physical injuries which occurred in 1987 to be $60,000.32

But that's all worth it for the kids, right? The kids

5) How you live your life increases your odds

22% of females raped are under the age of 12 years; 32% are 12-17 years old; 29% 18-24 years old; 17% over 25 years old. 83% of those raped are under the age of 25 years old. (National Institute of Justice 1998)

Women with disabilities are raped and abused at twice the rate of the general population. (Sobsey 1994)

# Sexual assault is reported by 33-46% of women who are being physically assaulted by their husbands. (AMA 1995)

http://www2.ucsc.edu/rape-prevention/statistics.html

Are you starting to realize that it's not totally dependent on how a woman lives her life? That even women who marry men of the christian faith (unless you want to try and argue how most of America isn't christian) end up being victims of rape and sexual abuse?

That there are more cases and situations of rape that will and do repeatedly pop up regardless of how good of a christian you are? That rape does not just happen if you drink or go to college?

It doesn't matter how educated you are, it doesn't matter where you live or how adamant you are in your belief of God; bad things happen to good people all the time and it does not matter who or what you are when it comes to rape. You can't just use a blanket statement and say that the majority of women that are raped deserve it, or that they should have the baby. You talk of murder? You have no idea what they went through when they were raped, what kind of hell they had to deal with so how can you try and judge them in regards to whether they want to keep the child?

I'm not overly religious as some but it pains me when such ignorance is put forth, especially from one that is trying to preach God's word. Your lack of respect for your fellow man (and women) is disgusting and you seriously need to step back and pray for better understanding in the future. Opening your mouth about something you don't know anything about, and then going to wikipedia in hopes of defending your ignorant assumptions is just as bad as the actions of some of the non-believers you come across.

[Noah]

the new forum mods are good :wub:

[Subjugation]

-Trash Talk

Blueblaze,

I welcome diversity of opinions and legitimate debate. But what I don't welcome is when someone manufactures threads in the General Discussion/Pub Chat subforum purely to elicit a visceral, negative response. It's perfectly reasonable to ask that you keep the trash talk to Trash Talk, and useless crap to Useless Crap. But if you want to have a reasonable debate and keep it relatively on topic, then please---I welcome you to stay.

On the other hand, if you want to start a thread about the 2008 elections then quickly end up writing an essay about how Jesus thinks it's cool to rape chicks, then you're pretty much begging for me to decompress the toilet and eject your bullshit threads into space.

Edit: Looks like A to the Q has a different perspective. Whatever. As long as it's out of Gen Disc, problem solved.