SiCKO by Michael Moore

[DankNuggets]

wow it's a shame such an ass bag like michael moore had to take up this cause. he does nothing but turn intelligent people away from the real issues. i'd love to see all the people who refused to do interviews with him even thought they lost someone to cancer or whatever. healthcare sucks and is in need of reform or at least a regulatory committee to keep them in check. fuck michael moore for making me care less about health care just because he's an asshole.

[Vykromond]

Things I wish people would learn

1) What matters is the message, not the messenger.
2) What matters is the message, not the messenger.
3) What matters is the message, not the messenger.
4) What matters is the message, not the messenger.

5) What matters is the message, not the messenger.

6) What matters is the message, not the messenger.

7) What matters is the message, not the messenger.

8) What matters is the message, not the messenger.

9) What matters is the message, not the messenger.

10) What matters is the message, not the messenger.

11) What matters is the message, not the messenger.

12) What matters is the message, not the messenger.

13) What matters is the message, not the messenger.

14) What matters is the message, not the messenger.

15) What matters is the message, not the messenger. What matters is the message, not the messenger.

16) What matters is the message, not the messenger.

17) What matters is the message, not the messenger.

18) What matters is the message, not the messenger.

19) What matters is the message, not the messenger.

20) What matters is the message, not the messenger.

21) What matters is the message, not the messenger.

22) What matters is the message, not the messenger.

23) What matters is the message, not the messenger.

24) What matters is the message, not the messenger.

25) What matters is the message, not the messenger.

26) What matters is the message, not the messenger.

27) What matters is the message, not the messenger.

28) What matters is the message, not the messenger.

29) What matters is the message, not the messenger.

30) butz

[Da1andonly]

^5, vyk

[Pummel]

1)
actually there are a few tests that say this is true not many but a few

o i c

[Bioture]

blah blah blah

this is why american healthcare sucks
this is why only rich people can afford the best healthcare in the world
I'm michael moore look at me do stuff to bring out the said above
something about flint michigan




ok that's the movie I think. don't take my word for it.

[Epinephrine]

Who pays for all this health care?

At my company, for the last 3 years, our group insurance agent comes in each year announcing, “good news, your rate is only going up 25% this year”. We cover 95% of each employee’s insurance and 75% of their families insurance. When we absorb these 25% annual increases we do not have a lot of money left over for annual raises. Yet we continue to have people who run to the emergency room for headaches and sore throats while other people do use the insurance responsibly.

Uh... the people pay for it... with taxes.

I guess you don't realize, so I will say it again. Everyone else in the world spends MUCH LESS on healthcare per capita than Americans do. Canadians spend about 1/2 as much.

Your little rant demonstrates pretty easily why taxes are better. Your rates went up 25% each year... taxes will NEVER go up that fast, and they don't. Yet it's not like healthcare in every other country is getting 25% worse each year.

I will take another quote from you (out of context, but very applicable):

Second, any source that is for profit should be taken as just that, someone trying to make a buck.

Exactly, and insurance companies in the USA are out to make a profit. This extra layer of middlemen out there to MAKE MONEY is why you pay 2x as much as we do in Canada for basically the exact same healthcare.

So not only is the entire private health care system against the idea of human dignity (not everyone who is uninsured DESERVES to be uninsured, and in fact there are tens of millions of children who are uninsured and I hope you won't say they deserve to die if they ever get sick), but it also costs a lot more, for basically the exact same level of care. Or if you use general indicators of health such as life expectancy, neonatal mortality, and so on... the US actually does a lot worse than most industrialized countries.

[Eric is God]

try being mentally ill in america. people complain about healthcare a shit ton in this country, and i bet at least half of those people aren't even considering mental health in their rantings. insurance companies don't just screw you if you're in need of long-term mental healthcare, they basically condemn you.

The metal health situation isn't too great in Canada either. Health care will only pay for very old, generic medications when new medications could provide a huge benefit to someone dealing with anything from schizophrenia to ADHD. Before I got my job and received health insurance I was paying over $250 a month for my ADHD medication because it was fairly new (3-4 years in the market). If a newer medication has fewer side effects or just works with someone's body chemistry better of course they would prefer it.

[Eric is God]

Health Care

How much does society 'owe' people when they do not Care about thier own Health?

If I smoke two packs a day, eat burgers every day, take in too much salt, drink until my liver gives up, then the rest of society (or the other people in my insurance pool) should foot the bill?

Well that is a whole other issue and I agree with you completely. Unhealthy eating can be somewhat hard to control (especially in the US) given the busy life styles people lead and all the options out there for fast food but I hate the idea of young smokers (I can't really blame people who started smoking before they knew what the consequences were) costing our health care system billions of dollars 10-20 years from now. That's the biggest reason why Canada taxes the hell out of cigarettes and why a lot of health care officials and economists believe governments should place a tax on fast food that would be paid by companies like McDonalds.

[Eric is God]

Uh... the people pay for it... with taxes.

I guess you don't realize, so I will say it again. Everyone else in the world spends MUCH LESS on healthcare per capita than Americans do. Canadians spend about 1/2 as much.

Your little rant demonstrates pretty easily why taxes are better. Your rates went up 25% each year... taxes will NEVER go up that fast, and they don't. Yet it's not like healthcare in every other country is getting 25% worse each year.

I will take another quote from you (out of context, but very applicable):



Exactly, and insurance companies in the USA are out to make a profit. This extra layer of middlemen out there to MAKE MONEY is why you pay 2x as much as we do in Canada for basically the exact same healthcare.

So not only is the entire private health care system against the idea of human dignity (not everyone who is uninsured DESERVES to be uninsured, and in fact there are tens of millions of children who are uninsured and I hope you won't say they deserve to die if they ever get sick), but it also costs a lot more, for basically the exact same level of care. Or if you use general indicators of health such as life expectancy, neonatal mortality, and so on... the US actually does a lot worse than most industrialized countries.

You have to admit Epi that the father of Canadian medicare Thomas Douglas probably didn't envision the government paying for every scrapped knee or bad cold in the country. I believe the idea was to ensure that no Canadian would be denied the right to receive treatment for SERIOUS ailments or injuries. I'm sure many people have done studies on the yearly costs of unnecessary doctors visits or minor procedures and I'm sure it's immense. What every goverment should do is increase funding for preventive health care measures like chiropractors, psychologists and whatever the hell it takes to make people stop smoking, eat healthy and exercise. Instead the Ontario goverment decides to cut those areas and my kids (well someone's kids) are going to be paying for it via higher taxes in 30 years.

[Ephemeral]

I would still pay for your healthcare. Because even self centered, n.i.m.b.y. assholes like you deserve not to die a slow, painful death if your insurance fucked you with a loophole.

Oh, and no need to thank me. It's called basic human decency.

Your post certainly illustrates basic human decency.

[Squeezer]

Your post certainly illustrates basic human decency.

As opposed to your snide attempts and sterling perspectives.

[Ephemeral]

So in your perfect world if some crazy fuck decides to burn down his house and put his and other lives at risk, you'd be willing to let those people die or be injured because he simply has no money or refuses to pay to put the fires out? The ridiculousness of having a privatized fire fighter service aside do you really think it would do a better job in terms of service and lower costs?

Hypothetically he would be arrested the first, second and third time and be removed at some point from putting others in danger. I would be willing to pay for it because this person is putting himself and others in danger and he clearly has some mental or emotional issue.

Sorry, I was not saying that people deserve to die. I was not saying that the fire department should not come out to the fire. I was not saying that fire department should be privatized. I was not saying that the person even intentionally was setting the fire.
What I was trying to say was about insurance, and insurance pools where a small percentage of abuses can drive the costs upward, and the situation where people rely on insurance instead of family, friends, smaller social circles.

The insurance industry started with betting, in English pubs with betting on which ships would return. That is how Lloyds began.

In the 'old' days people relied much more on developing close kit families, friends, and community. This was their 'insurance'. If their barn burned down, the family was helped with everyone coming to a 'barn-rasing'.

[Ephemeral]

As opposed to your snide attempts and sterling perspectives.

As opposed to personal attacks?

[Subjugation]

Your post certainly illustrates basic human decency.

Yes, I know it does.

Basic human decency includes making sacrifices for the good of the collective, regardless of how you may personally feel about some of the individuals within the collective.

Nobody deserves to die a slow painful death in a first world country, for lack of healthcare. Not someone who smokes. Not someone who is a drunk. Not even a selfish asshole who only cares about himself.

[PaulOakenfold]

Michael Moore sucks