University of Florida Police Brutality

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

So you agree with freedom of speech but as long as it's not 'ridiculous blather'? The very essence of freedom of speech is that you can say whatever the fuck you like to anyone, no exceptions. By conforming to the idea that society is allowed their opinions you exempt yourself from saying that in some cases they shouldn't. You're a fuckin' hypocrit. It's your type of mentality which is held by autocrats in less priveleged countries to keep the population quiet. 'Yea, you're allowed to speak but as long as it's not against me or anything that makes me uncomfortable'.

Way to keep it civil, but I don't care WHAT country you live in, "freedom of speech" is at least a somewhat measured "right." Like it or not, you relinquish true and total "freedom of speech" by living in a structured society of any sort. Otherwise, meetings would denigrate into shouting matches, and the crazy guy standing in the back of city hall meetings screaming "THE HALOCAUST WAS A LIE! THE HALOCAUST WAS A LIE!" over and over would disrupt anything getting done. It's not about being uncomfortable, it's about being appropriate.

Just to be clear, I don't think the guy should have been tased. I thought I made that point clear, but evidently there's some sort of vocab filter as things head trans-Atlantic.

[Scoop]

also fuck UF

[Jeenyuss]

I don't put too much stock in that shit. Skull and Bones is basically an elite secret society, very much like a college fraternity, for rich kids. They can't say shit because the society has shit on them. Same deal with your buddy who won't tell you the secrets of his fraternity but a little more serious. But let the conspiracy theorists go wild.

what's that movie with the kid from dawson's?

[Hairygroin]

I bet the whole thing was staged.

[Hakaku]

I disagree with the arrest, even if the cop just tried to escort him, he asked why he was being arrested, and they wouldn't tell him at any time. It's not just the right of freedom of speech, it's also your right to know why you're being arrested.

In my opinion, it was excessive force, as there was already 4-5 cops over top of him, and he was screaming "don't tase me", and they did anyways. It doesn't look any better when Kerry was actually answering the student's question (even if the student cut him off a bit) - though Kerry suposedly made a joke about the student after the student was taken away, and later issued a statement after the incident.

Similar event: UCLA Taser Incident (read the whole page, not just watch the video)

[stark]

I can understand that the officers want to protect themselves but their first duty is to protect the people, especially anyone they have or attempt to put in custody. Gen said an investigation is underway so hopefully that will clear things up and maybe change policy regarding reasonable use of these weapons. Registering compliance from a suspect who is already detained is still in my opinion not a valid use for them.

Any police officer looks out for number one before anything else. They put themselves at risk daily, and try to make damn sure they're going home at the end of their shift.

And police were simply trying to escort him out, before he started pushing away and resisting their escort. They hadn't cuffed him or used any force on him prior to his resisting and pushing of the officers. Failure to comply with police orders and pushing officers like that doesn't fly, hence they took him down. As he was on the ground, he was still resisting and flapping his arms about and they clearly said "if you don't stop, you're going to be tasered." And what happened? Well, he didn't stop. For all any of you know, he could have had a gun concealed somewhere on him and was flapping his arms trying to reach it before being cuffed and patted down. You simply don't know, and you can me Goddamn sure no fucking police officer is going to risk that.. Whether for their own safety or the safety of any one of the surrounding individuals. Tasers, though really fucking painful, are non-lethal and more accurate and effective than pepper spray.

So you agree with freedom of speech but as long as it's not 'ridiculous blather'? The very essence of freedom of speech is that you can say whatever the fuck you like to anyone, no exceptions. By conforming to the idea that society is allowed their opinions you exempt yourself from saying that in some cases they shouldn't. You're a fuckin' hypocrit. It's your type of mentality which is held by autocrats in less priveleged countries to keep the population quiet. 'Yea, you're allowed to speak but as long as it's not against me or anything that makes me uncomfortable'.

Well, actually, there are restrictions and what you can and cannot say as “freedom of speech” does not mean “freedom to say whatever you fuck you want.” You can’t go into a crowded theatre and yell “fire.” You can’t threaten to harm of scare any individuals. If I walk by you on the street, and you come up to me and say “I’m gonna fucking stab you right now,” regardless to if you even have a knife on you that is not covered under the “freedom of speech” statute in the bill of rights. Hell, if everyday you just say “you‘re gay” to me in class and it really bothers me, once you’re given fair warning that it bothers or offends me, as soon as you say it again you better believe there could be a harassment charge brought against you. There are limitations, as conc pointed out, that do in face restrict what is and is not protected by “freedom of speech”.




Anyways, bottom line is a cop tells you to do something, you have to do it. This dumbass didn't, and he learned that hard way that it doesn't pay to be a douchebag. But, straight up, this isn't brutality. Rodney King was fucking brutality, but this shit doesn't even come close to it. And if the officers are suspended (I'm sure with pay) pending an investigation, I can almost guaran-damn-tee that the officers will be cleared with justifiable use of non-lethal force.

[Dameon Angell]

I'm sorry to rain on everyone's parade here, again, but you guys are right. If we lived in this ideal society this shouldn't happen. But, guess what? Life sucks, wear a fucking helmet. You don't do stupid shit like that with police and not expect to get your ass beat. Simple as that.

[phata$$]

Anyways, bottom line is a cop tells you to do something, you have to do it. This dumbass didn't, and he learned that hard way that it doesn't pay to be a douchebag. But, straight up, this isn't brutality. Rodney King was fucking brutality, but this shit doesn't even come close to it. And if the officers are suspended (I'm sure with pay) pending an investigation, I can almost guaran-damn-tee that the officers will be cleared with justifiable use of non-lethal force.

Hooray! for sense!

[Dameon Angell]

Thanks Stark for restoring my faith in this community.

[PH]

OH MAN I KNEW IT THOSE SYSTEM OF A DOWN GUYS WERE RIGHT LOOK AT THIS SHIT ALL POLICE ARE BRUTAL SWINE FUCK THE SYSTEM oh wait their so-called music is terrible and has no meaning so just forget i said anything ok thanks

[MetalHeadz]

Way to keep it civil, but I don't care WHAT country you live in, "freedom of speech" is at least a somewhat measured "right." Like it or not, you relinquish true and total "freedom of speech" by living in a structured society of any sort. Otherwise, meetings would denigrate into shouting matches, and the crazy guy standing in the back of city hall meetings screaming "THE HALOCAUST WAS A LIE! THE HALOCAUST WAS A LIE!" over and over would disrupt anything getting done. It's not about being uncomfortable, it's about being appropriate.

Just to be clear, I don't think the guy should have been tased. I thought I made that point clear, but evidently there's some sort of vocab filter as things head trans-Atlantic.

I apologise for my vulgarity previously, I get hot headed easily (you've probably noticed). I feel quite passionately about this.

I have to disagree with you fundamentally, freedom of speech should never be undermined just because we live in a 'structured' and 'civilised' society. It's a right we've gained (as western cultures) through political progress, democracy and constitutions. It's a right so many people lack and a right so many people fight for. Do not take it for granted, it's a luxury.

You also infer that just because people have the ability to say what they want, they necessarily will. People don't always exercise their civil rights to the maximum all the time, that's absurd. It's like saying that freedom of religion would necessarily mean everyone would be religious. You entertain the somewhat simplistic idea that unless something is legally implemented the opposite will definitely occur: it won't.

[Noah]

So MHZ, if I went on a holy mission to shout shit about everyone you knew, your family, even your pet, that would be ok?

I'm just using my civil rights, if you had done anything to harm me, I could press charges and get your ass in jail.

Perfectly fine, and the way it should work in a free society?

[Singularity]

what's that movie with the kid from dawson's?

The Skulls

[MetalHeadz]

So MHZ, if I went on a holy mission to shout shit about everyone you knew, your family, even your pet, that would be ok?

I'm just using my civil rights, if you had done anything to harm me, I could press charges and get your ass in jail.

Perfectly fine, and the way it should work in a free society?

It's better than the extreme at the opposite end of the spectrum.

I was talking more about political speech but I guess on a personal level it's more about the ethical discretion of the individual. What are you suggesting, that the Government bans 'shouting shit' at people? In response to your question 'would that be ok?', well it would depend on what I had done to merit it. Freedom of speech should not be (ab)used for the sake of usage.

[MirrorriM]

I'm on wireless so I cant watch those videos but I did see it on BBC World. The newswoman said the guy wouldnt stop asking questions or give the mic to someone else. They show him at the mic, then police ask him to step down and he refuses so they try to force-walk him away and then he starts to go crazy. The scene cuts to him on the ground pleading for them to not tase him, then they do.

I can see why people think it is wrong for police to cause bodily harm to people but I really dont care. The guy wanted to be stupid and cause a scene. All he had to do was walk away with them. Then he could rant about it in a blog or on the news or whatever and get his free speech. He wanted to act like an idiot and try to cause a stir anyway with that "skull and bones" thing.

edit: stark is on the money.