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    I'll wrap up everything in one sentence, then go on my rant: This man, at a forum for college students, discussed physics, mathematics and the advancement of knowledge in addition to discussions for peace in a manner that is more powerful, more refreshing, and more intelligent than what our president has (or ever will) exhibit in his lifetime.

    If you go on youtube and watch the his speech at columbia, it's very apparent (at least to me) that this man is passionate about knowledge. Whether or not we choose to believe him or not, he never once spoon fed us any information. He invited us to examine ourselves, our condition, the war overseas, and the history behind "terrorism." He talks about being willing and open to peace talks. About the advancement of his nation, about the historical indignities that they had to endure.

    And soon something became clear to me. I admit I'm not a huge buff on politics, but for once it made sense to me that while our president was worried about terrorists, homeland security, troops in iraq, etc etc etc. Where was the effort re-examine the purpose of this nation in the world? Now, I might think Dr. Ahmad was crazy when he presented his views on the holocaust, but at least he presented them with an intention to spark our own curiosities. To examine history for ourselves and not to be fed through the biases of others. I applaud him for that, because after doing a bit of reading myself, the war in Iraq is far more complicated than what we know. It's roots are historical.

    In the speech if you focus on the positives, Dr. Ahmad clearly talks about peace. When was the last time our president ever said anything about peace or resolving a problem through discourse? When were we ever encouraged to think for ourselves and continue our own research on history? If this nation is founded on free speech, then let's say something that hasn't been said before. Something that revolves around hope and a progression towards peace.

    It made me angry to see the president of Columbia start out with attacks and disrespectful remarks, calling him petty and stupid... on the grounds that he is a professor, well gee wiz Dr. Bollinger, is that how you treat your colleagues? The mood he set was clearly confrontational, but never did Dr. Ahmad retaliate except by saying that it is customary to respect your guests. So that's how fucked up I think it all is - this was supposed to be an intelligent dialogue. But it ended up in a puff of smoke when Dr. Ahmad said there were no homosexuals in his country. What an awesome distraction that was from everything else that was valid from his answers. Let's focus on that and then start some protests to top it off!

    Even though a few things threw me off completely, I was compelled to call Dr. Ahmadinejad either a delirious despot, or a hopeful dictator who's completely self absorbed. In either case, I thought that most of his comments were intelligent. At least as intelligent as a president's comments should be.

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    • #3
      "In Iran we don't have homosexuals like in your country...
      In Iran we do not have this phenomenon, I don't know who has told you that we have it"

      Intelligent indeed.
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      • #4
        Bollinger's introduction was a fucking joke. He wanted to prove that hosting Ahmadinejad didn't imply tacit support of the shit that comes flying out of that guy's mouth (and remember that Columbia has to be on tip-tippy-toes right now regarding Israel). But he way overshot it- reminded me of O'Reilly.

        That said, crazy-chan is crazy. Don't let the fact that the man is statesmanlike and smart mislead you.
        Last edited by Vykromond; 09-27-2007, 03:27 AM.
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        OK.. ur retarded case closed

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Vykromond View Post
          Bollinger's introduction was a fucking joke. He wanted to prove that hosting Ahmadinejad didn't imply tacit support of the shit that comes flying out of that guy's mouth (and remember that Columbia has to be on tip-tippy-toes right now regarding Israel). But he way overshot it- reminded me of O'Reilly.

          That said, crazy-chan is crazy. Don't let the fact that the man is statesmanlike and smart mislead you.
          He is very well spoken, no doubt about that. But yes... don't let that mislead you. He is dangerous and he would like nothing more than to see the complete destruction of America, Israel and a few other places. It's a shame he couldn't put his skills to better use.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Vykromond View Post
            That said, crazy-chan is crazy. Don't let the fact that the man is statesmanlike and smart mislead you.
            Do you know of any head of state that isn't crazy?
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            • #7
              Yes its very easy apparently to convince ignorants like you. :-D

              You probably also believe when he says that the women in Iran are the must freely, independent and happy women in the world, right? and that in Canada there are more human right violations than Iran?

              You also probably don't know about the fact that near Iraq border, Iran is performing displacement of Arabs. they already transfered 1.5 million people and brought Persians to settle there.
              It actually was in Arab media, but i guess you didn't hear that before you praise him right?

              You also believe of course that the Palestinians, like he says, they should have the right to choose what government and rule will be in Palestine (so peacefully!). and that of course, the Zionist is brutal occupation regime.
              I'm probably stupid so ill ask smarter people than me (like you) - what nation did we conquer? they had a state here? a coin? a stamp? a flag and a national anthem?

              You also know that voices inside Iran are raising against him. Oh wait you didn't?


              In one thing he is good, and its on presentation and media appearance.
              obviously he bought you.
              You don't even know in what that fool is believing. *hint - Its like a much worse version of your president you are so used to hate.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Bioture View Post
                Now, I might think Dr. Ahmad was crazy when he presented his views on the holocaust, but at least he presented them with an intention to spark our own curiosities. To examine history for ourselves and not to be fed through the biases of others. I applaud him for that,
                You need to lay off the crazy juice. The halocaust is one of the most well-documented occurrences in history. Just because you, I, or President Ahmadinejad weren't there doesn't mean it was any less real. It's a shame that it's even a talking point.

                Originally posted by Bioture View Post
                because after doing a bit of reading myself, the war in Iraq is far more complicated than what we know. It's roots are historical.
                Anything's roots are historical. That's a cyclical statement. It's like saying "these ice cubes are cold."

                Originally posted by Bioture View Post
                In the speech if you focus on the positives, Dr. Ahmad clearly talks about peace. When was the last time our president ever said anything about peace or resolving a problem through discourse?
                Political rhetoric is just that--rhetoric. I don't like Bush, but he talks a lot about peace, and about how he wants to bring peace between Israel and Palestine. He talks about wanting to end the atrocities in Darfur and Myanmar (he just talked publically about that yesterday, if you're looking for instances). But in the end, just like with Ahmadinejad, it's just talk. Don't be so naive as to confuse rhetoric with action.

                Originally posted by Bioture View Post
                When were we ever encouraged to think for ourselves and continue our own research on history? If this nation is founded on free speech, then let's say something that hasn't been said before.
                Yes, let's all sit around and make wild conjecture in the face of history just because we have a right to--that sounds awesome.

                Originally posted by Bioture View Post
                Something that revolves around hope and a progression towards peace.
                You can't make a progression towards peace by announcing your intentions to wipe another country off the map. That's what we like to call conflicting statements.

                Originally posted by Bioture View Post
                Your thoughts?
                Like everyone else in this thread has said, don't let a smooth talker distract you from his otherwise crazy agenda. I don't think he's a threat at this point, but I also don't think he's some wise sage who's got it all figured out--obviously he doesn't.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by FarScape View Post
                  You also believe of course that the Palestinians, like he says, they should have the right to choose what government and rule will be in Palestine (so peacefully!). and that of course, the Zionist is brutal occupation regime.
                  I'm probably stupid so ill ask smarter people than me (like you) - what nation did we conquer? they had a state here? a coin? a stamp? a flag and a national anthem?
                  The state of Palestine has existed under various guises since pre christian era. Over time it has been conquered and redivided (much like most Europe was before the 10th century, and more recently Poland during WWII).

                  A stamp existed during British rule in the 1940's. In 1948 the UN attempted to seperate the area into Isreal and Palestine. Isreal accepted the regime, Palestine rejected it. Isreal went in a huff and invaded territory first in 1948 then again in 1967. Basically they haven't allowed a Palestine state to exist.


                  Originally posted by FarScape View Post
                  You also know that voices inside Iran are raising against him. Oh wait you didn't?
                  He's a state leader. The president of this very country has poor approval ratings.
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                  • #10
                    The thing that struck me the most was the way Columbia's president tore him apart in the introduction. Kind of uncalled for, considering they're the ones that invited him.
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                    • #11
                      The holocaust isn't a debateable issue, it happened. As far as the homosexual comments go I think they were ignorant, this man might have a PHD but he's still twisted in his views.

                      If there's a story in any of this aside from the guy being a radical I think it's getting down to the bottom of why they requested his presence at the University. I almost feel like there was a hidden meaning for his presence.
                      it makes me sick when i think of it, all my heroes could not live with it so i hope you rest in peace cause with us you never did

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Material Girl View Post
                        The thing that struck me the most was the way Columbia's president tore him apart in the introduction. Kind of uncalled for, considering they're the ones that invited him.
                        Exactly, I'm not trying to defend this guy but why in the hell would they want him there? We discussed this topic in one of my journalism classes and even the teacher wasn't sure why the University would want him there, it's like inviting someone over just so you can make fun of them
                        it makes me sick when i think of it, all my heroes could not live with it so i hope you rest in peace cause with us you never did

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                        • #13
                          So if Iran gets a nuke America wont be able to boss them around :light:

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                          • #14
                            Wow that was an interesting response to his speech. Go figure that you're a devout Christian, Bio.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by GuruMeditation View Post
                              The state of Palestine has existed under various guises since pre christian era. Over time it has been conquered and redivided (much like most Europe was before the 10th century, and more recently Poland during WWII).

                              A stamp existed during British rule in the 1940's. In 1948 the UN attempted to seperate the area into Isreal and Palestine. Isreal accepted the regime, Palestine rejected it. Isreal went in a huff and invaded territory first in 1948 then again in 1967. Basically they haven't allowed a Palestine state to exist.
                              Yes, Israel was always under rule of different empires. at the end, it was the British mandate who were here before the UN divided Israel between Jewish and Arabs. those Arabs however, came from different origins. Its never was THEIR LAND.
                              anyway, the Arabs countries rejected that agreement.

                              You said "Israel in a huff".
                              Israel invaded territories after all the Arabs nations around us declared war and attacked.those lands were for best security at first (West bank is an high ground for example).

                              it was the Independent war in 1948 and Six days war in 1967 (that was Preemptive war), and there was more wars between and after.
                              the PLO by the way, founded 3 years before 67' when we captured the West bank and Gaza strip (funny ah?).

                              just a small facts (you can read all about this in your favorite encyclopedias)

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